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You may get double the games that the PC has, but you can only play games on it.......a PC can do MUCH more. I got tired of consoles, as the games have WAY less replay value (no mods, new maps, etc.), and it was mainly money wasted. The console just ended up collecting dust.
Plus you can't run MS Word on a console!!
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Plus you can't run MS Word on a console!!
Nope but you can run Open Office which will open, edit, and save .doc files just like Word.
    
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The only thing is most people buy a console over a other console or PC is the games available for them. You see some games come only for XBOX and some for Wii and some for PS3 and will never come to PC so what do you do about that.
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ummm.... funny, I was under the impression that true "pc gaming" was meant for enthusiasts...

...you know people who max their hardware, read every white sheet and start salivating over the terms like shader model and stream processors...

so until we stop pushing our hardware and get excited by the next PCI X standard, make mine a pc

(and you can keep the consoles)
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ummm.... funny, I was under the impression that true "pc gaming" was meant for enthusiasts...

...you know people who max their hardware, read every white sheet and start salivating over the terms like shader model and stream processors...

so until we stop pushing our hardware and get excited by the next PCI X standard, make mine a pc

(and you can keep the consoles)
And your reasoning is exactly why the PC Gaming market has self-flagellated itself to the point where it doesn't grow nearly as effectively as the Console markets.
    
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many people get into gaming through consoles, get addicted to games, and move to pc.

I know thats how it happened to me. One day I just realized... I hadn't touched my Xbox in months (or years).

Let's go at this from a business point of view...

we take a customer, who has played video games, but is basically new to the market.

He has in his home a Late model Pentium D/Early Core 2/Athlon X2 PC with a Gig of Ram and the ever popular 5200fx. (HP Pavilion most likely). He has a 30" TV, with no HD options. He has an Xbox/N64.

Both sides should agree that this is where many people are.

If the person is technical, a tinkerer, or mechanically inclined they will most likely cram a new graphics card in his PC - and for that pc the cost would come our to be $100 or less (7600 or so). This leads to him recognizing that there are better cards out there, and building his next pc/ordering a true gaming rig.

If the person likes sports, he gets the xbox 360. Movies but not youtube - PS3.

You can't look at this topic that way, because most people buying games have played games before. People rarely move form PC to console, but frequently move from Console to PC.Yes, buying a whole new system is cheaper than a whole new PC but most people aren't in that position. They are move likely to be in the position of new console or new GFX, and with people accepting the New OS, if a console gamer is talked into a vista pc, pc gaming will follow (and an OCN membership in short order)
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And your reasoning is exactly why the PC Gaming market has self-flagellated itself to the point where it doesn't grow nearly as effectively as the Console markets.
I dont understand what you are advocating then. Developing PC games for the lowest common denominator Aren't you prone to suffer the same abysmal fate then... as the games themselves at that stage would simply not come close to competing with the experience (graphics, sound and gameplay) of the consoles.

Though the demographics of PC Gamers and Console gamers are not mutually exclusive due to some overlap... they are deserving of their own development, marketing and production roadmaps.

I find it hard to believe, regardless of all the rheotic, that top-notch game developers will abandon the PC platform (nor resort to just straight ports).

IMO
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PC's aren't cheaper in the long run, they are more expensive in the long run because they require upgrading of key critical components. Also, for all of these "budget" rigs, how long do you think you will be able to play the most current games, heck, these budget rigs will barely eek out Crysis.

Point of the matter is, games for console are made to work within the specifications and hardware of the console. Games for PC are made with much less regard for the hardware requirements that will be needed in order to operate decently. Hence why very few systems really run Crysis well with all the eye candy, why Vid card makers are releasing new stuff every quarter or so, why we are all here trying to squeeze an extra 100MHz out of our systems. For the non-enthusiast you have to upgrade your system so frequently to get decent gameplay that it ends up being a turn off.
How so? Just because Crysis became a new standard for graphical horsepower, does not mean that developers are intending to make their look better and play worst. Heck, even at medium/high quality, Crysis looks outstanding, and looks better then any other game out there. Just because the systems cannot play it at max settings with everything cranked, does not mean that PC has to be expensive. Actually, consoles ARE more expensive in the long run. For instance, look at Xbox360, getting a Blue Ray disk drive is going to cost a lot for it, and video games alone cost way too much for it. With PC, you save money on the games, and can save that money that you did save, for a new video card in the future. Also, Dual core is barely optimized in most games, so quad core is not really needed, not anytime soon, so saying that you NEED to upgrade is stretching it quite far. 2gigs of ram is really only needed at the moment, and in the future.

Just because we are enthusiasts, we think it is justifiable to spend so much more money on top of the line (even though this is about overclocking and as getting as much as you can out of the money you spend), does not mean that everyone else has too, and decide to play all games maxed out at top resolution.

My system is nothing to brag about, but I can play crysis on medium settings at 1600x900 resolution, and it still looks amazing, better then a lot of other games, and I do not seem to be having problems playing any other games at that.
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How do PC game prices vary from Console game prices? Last I checked Crysis was $49 and PS3 Tier A games are $59, that isn't that big of a difference. A PS3 with integrated blu-ray isn't going to cost more in the long run than a PC that has been upgraded to keep up with system requirements. PC game requirements change far faster than Consoles do. Figure the PS2 as I mentioned earlier, it's lifespan was about 5 years (actually more, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the conservative side here because it's still enough to make my point), no imagine trying to play a brand new game on a 5 year old machine without changing anything about it. Simply not possible unless like I said, it's playing a game like bejeweled or the like.
    
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Alot of pages talking about some ramblings of a sellout developer. Epic, riiiight, Epic fail in my opinion. They got lazy and took the easy way out - that is, make a half ass game and promote the crap out of it and people who own consoles will buy it because of the console gamers mentality - "THAT HAS TO BE AWESOME!!! I saw it on tv!!" (I have heard this from many console gaming friends)

I know not all of you are this way, hell, maybe its just my crazy friends that are...hmmm, thats got me thinking.....LOL

Why cant everyone agree that they both have their strengths and weaknesses?

Who cares what this guy says?? I say PC/Wii/360/PS3/N64/SNES/NES/PS2/PS/GB/GBC/GBA/GENESIS/etc/etc/etc FTW!


not to mention that the really good developers such as Valve and Gearbox say just the opposite of what this guys says
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