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Well I'm dissapointed in my rig, I don't why it's not performing as well as it should.
My e6400 is oced to 2.7GHz (Limited by motherboard), which I'll be changing to a XFX 680i LT (Is it possible to flash to a 680i?). The aftermarket cooler right now is keeping it at 25 degrees oced so I know I can push it waaay further I'm just not sure how much.

Also I have a gig of ram, but I know that cant be the main issue.
I got my 9600GT at 720/1020, and the game still stutters. I'm playing it on high and it lags, I take tune down shadows, aa, and water quality; still it stutters a bit!

It takes a while before the game get "used" to running the game while I'm playing the game and even the performance is no good.
Vista is giving me the same performance ratio with XP.

My friend is playing the damn game on medium with his 7600GS on AGP with a P4, how am I so damn close to his performance level when my card is 4x better then his (Exaggeration).

What in the world am I doing wrong here? I see so many benchmarks of this card doing so well yet I don't have half the performance (maybe more).
I'll be upgrading to a 9800GTX when it's available though...

What do I need to do have a stable and playable gameplay on high?
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i dont think you can flash a Lt to a 680i. i don think those cards are every good

yo can up your pci-e bus stay under 120 mhz and this may help game play
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Actually your 1GB of Ram may be holding you back more than you think. Not so much the fact that it is only 1GB, but its a single stick of RAM in 64bit single channel mode. This means that performance from your RAM will suck and will hold back your system, regardless of how high you push your CPU/GPU.

My suggestion would be to get a good set of 2x1GB sticks when you purchase your new motherboard.
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Originally Posted by Malachor View Post
Well I'm dissapointed in my rig, I don't why it's not performing as well as it should.
My e6400 is oced to 2.7GHz (Limited by motherboard), which I'll be changing to a XFX 680i LT (Is it possible to flash to a 680i?). The aftermarket cooler right now is keeping it at 25 degrees oced so I know I can push it waaay further I'm just not sure how much.

Also I have a gig of ram, but I know that cant be the main issue.
I got my 9600GT at 720/1020, and the game still stutters. I'm playing it on high and it lags, I take tune down shadows, aa, and water quality; still it stutters a bit!

It takes a while before the game get "used" to running the game while I'm playing the game and even the performance is no good.
Vista is giving me the same performance ratio with XP.

My friend is playing the damn game on medium with his 7600GS on AGP with a P4, how am I so damn close to his performance level when my card is 4x better then his (Exaggeration).

What in the world am I doing wrong here? I see so many benchmarks of this card doing so well yet I don't have half the performance (maybe more).
I'll be upgrading to a 9800GTX when it's available though...

What do I need to do have a stable and playable gameplay on high?
I know that some people have had issues with the SSC versions of the 9600GT not handling the overclock as well as others. It seems that you underclocked your card some too, is there any reason? The standard clocks for core/memory are 740/975, for the SSC version.

Unfortunately, there are more things than just your videocard that could be causing this, like memory issues and whatnot. I think that your 1GB RAM, like someone else mentioned, is your bottleneck. Most of the newer games can experience anywhere from moderate to significant stuttering due to lacking RAM. Keep in mind that other things need to use that RAM as well. For any machine used for current games, I'd STRONGLY recommend 2GB+, and being that DDR2 RAM is on the cheap as of right now, it's a great time to buy!

Also, I'd strongly suggest upgrading to the 8800GTX when the 9800GTX comes out. Aside from the fact that the 9 series seems responsive to PCI-E bus changes, it's essentially just a slightly tweaked 8 series. It's still using the same GPU, and there's a good chance that the 8 series pricing will drop accordingly. I say this because I was originally planning to use the eVGA Step-Up when the 9800GTX came out, but now I don't see a true reason to do so.

However, I'd suggest saving that upgrade money that could be going towards the card, and putting it towards RAM. I really think that's the root of your problem.
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post #5 of 23
what FPS are you getting? what res is the monitor? i get about 25 fps on high at 1680*1050 no AA at stock, but it looks surprisingly smooth for some reason. it's a great card. do you have the latest drivers? what about the latest patch?
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What res you playing at? If you're over 1280x1024 then I wouldn't expect the 9600GT to be totally smooth at all high. Especially not in the later levels with the big aliens - those things kill the framerate. You need at least an 8800GT to play all high at >1280x1024, and even then it usually needs overclocking to reach 30fps consistently.

There can be a *really* big difference in performance between medium and high, or between resolutions, in Crysis. Add in the single-channel memory situation (in XP, it's not so much the 1G, as another poster mentioned) and that could explain why your buddy *seems* be able to play it inordinately well compared to your system.

First off, try running at 1280, and set shaders and textures to medium (all else on high, 16xAF, 0xAA) and see what happens ...

Then have your buddy try those settings, and see what happens.

You will have perfect gameplay, and he will have a slide show. I can almost guarantee it.

Also, from what I've been seeing here and elsewhere, overclocking the mem on the 9600GT beyond 972 may not be a very good idea. Seems be causing slowdowns in a lot of cases.
    
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Actually your 1GB of Ram may be holding you back more than you think. Not so much the fact that it is only 1GB, but its a single stick of RAM in 64bit single channel mode. This means that performance from your RAM will suck and will hold back your system, regardless of how high you push your CPU/GPU.

My suggestion would be to get a good set of 2x1GB sticks when you purchase your new motherboard.
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I know that some people have had issues with the SSC versions of the 9600GT not handling the overclock as well as others. It seems that you underclocked your card some too, is there any reason? The standard clocks for core/memory are 740/975, for the SSC version.

Unfortunately, there are more things than just your videocard that could be causing this, like memory issues and whatnot. I think that your 1GB RAM, like someone else mentioned, is your bottleneck. Most of the newer games can experience anywhere from moderate to significant stuttering due to lacking RAM. Keep in mind that other things need to use that RAM as well. For any machine used for current games, I'd STRONGLY recommend 2GB+, and being that DDR2 RAM is on the cheap as of right now, it's a great time to buy!

Also, I'd strongly suggest upgrading to the 8800GTX when the 9800GTX comes out. Aside from the fact that the 9 series seems responsive to PCI-E bus changes, it's essentially just a slightly tweaked 8 series. It's still using the same GPU, and there's a good chance that the 8 series pricing will drop accordingly. I say this because I was originally planning to use the eVGA Step-Up when the 9800GTX came out, but now I don't see a true reason to do so.

However, I'd suggest saving that upgrade money that could be going towards the card, and putting it towards RAM. I really think that's the root of your problem.
And I thought my cpu would be bottlenecking my 9600, I'm planning on buying a pair of 2x1GB Kingston Hyper Memory this week if I get the money. I'll prioritize the ram if it's going to improve my performance. (Dramatically?)

I was planning on getting the 9800GTX if the price is right and the performance would be better then the 8800GTX when reviews come out since I still have the step-up.
Will I have a bottleneck with my CPU if I get the card? Or will OCing it fix that issue?

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Originally Posted by brettjv View Post
What res you playing at? If you're over 1280x1024 then I wouldn't expect the 9600GT to be totally smooth at all high. Especially not in the later levels with the big aliens - those things kill the framerate. You need at least an 8800GT to play all high at >1280x1024, and even then it usually needs overclocking to reach 30fps consistently.

There can be a *really* big difference in performance between medium and high, or between resolutions, in Crysis. Add in the single-channel memory situation (in XP, it's not so much the 1G, as another poster mentioned) and that could explain why your buddy *seems* be able to play it inordinately well compared to your system.

First off, try running at 1280, and set shaders and textures to medium (all else on high, 16xAF, 0xAA) and see what happens ...

Then have your buddy try those settings, and see what happens.

You will have perfect gameplay, and he will have a slide show. I can almost guarantee it.

Also, from what I've been seeing here and elsewhere, overclocking the mem on the 9600GT beyond 972 may not be a very good idea. Seems be causing slowdowns in a lot of cases.
I'm running it at 1280x1024, as I did follow what you said previously I only get minor improvements. Maybe my FPS is set at a certain limit or something and barely improves from my settings. I'll restore the original clocks, my games all black out before they start.

Anyone know if removing 1GB of ram would cut down your performance badly?

Rep+ to all for help.
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Dude, you *need* 2 GB of memory at the very least for Crysis. Upgrading your RAM will help immensely.
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i dont think you can flash a Lt to a 680i. i don think those cards are every good

yo can up your pci-e bus stay under 120 mhz and this may help game play
They are better then your 3850.
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Dude It Is Your Ram Holding You Back... I Played Crysis On My Rig With Only 1gb Of Ram For A While And It Shuttered Alot... Then I Got Another Gig And It Totally Stopped... And When I Only Had 1gb Of Ram Crysis Was Using 98% Of My Ram... Now It Only Uses 75% And Runs Alot Smoother , So Go Out And Buy Another 1gb Stick!
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