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Crysis is not "nearly 100% GPU bound". My last CPU, an e6400, when OC'd from 2.13 to 3ghz got me a dramatic FPS rise, from around 23.5 to 28.1 avg fps, so...
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Proof?
Proof? I'm only reporting what I got with Crysis Benchmark Tool v1.05. If you have doubt about it I couldnt care less, lol.
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WoW is a pretty primitive game, especially graphics wise (NO HDR).

I want my fps to LEAST be 60fps.

that means under the largest amounts of sprites and sounds, i don't want my fps dropping below 60, and if it does, the CPU (to me) is not fast enough for gaming, nor is it good enough to keep up with my GX2.

I just got a new board though, I took back my Gigabyte board. Terrible board, terrible vdroop crappy options terrible OC GIGABYTE SUCKS!

Now i'm on an Asus Rampage Formula and frames seem a lot faster in games and i'm only at 3.5ghz on my q6600 G0, SLACR.

My e8400 is still sitting in it's box, I'm not sure which cpu i want to use yet...

If i go back to my e8400, i hope my rampage can oc it to 4.3-4.4ghz.

And for my q, I want it to hit 3.7ghz stable.

Which ever is faster at those frequencies is probably the wolfdale, but I like to run lots of **** in the background while gaming so the q would definately handle that better.
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Lord, I just wanted to let you know that if you were a chick, I'd wanna have sex with you right now.
Thanks......I think.

Oh, and I laugh at most of the people on this thread.

Myth #1 (quad-core is better at games):
How many of you have programmed 3D FPS games recently? Explain real quick how games that aren't made to take advantage of 4 cores are going to run faster on a Q6600, which is slower and less efficient than the e8400.

There are minor exceptions, such as a quad-core possibly running the game faster if there are a few other apps being used in the background that are CPU intensive.

Take a look at the benchmarks out there, with no other hardware change, the e8400 will outperform a q6600 in 90% of the games out there, even at the same clock speed. Quad-core will have an advantage with some games, and even then only in some parts of those games, not always consistantly, whereas a more efficient and higher clocked e8400 will perform faster in all situations other than the quad-core optimized ones (which, mind-you, is still very few cases).

Myth #2 (e8xxx series are unstable):
e8xxx cpus are not unstable. They OC just like every other recent Core2Duo. Just about everyone on OCN that has one is running at 3.6 or higher, and almost all are on air. I'd like to see where these "unstable" claims are being based on.

Myth #3(e8xxx series OC poorly):
All I have to say is.....what? I see an average of 3.8 on cheap air solutions, 4.0Ghz+ on any high-end air solution, and 4.4+ on water. All of this at very cool temps (relative to 65nm cpus), and relatively low voltage.

Myth #4(e8xxx have voltage problems):
Stock voltage is ~1.18v, and 1.36v is the recommended max, that is a 15% voltage increase. 1.36V often yields 3.8-4.0Ghz, a 25% overclock. What is the problem? Should chips be required to take more than 15% voltage increases?
3 years ago, some of you (who are older than 14), may remember a CPU called the AMD Athlon XP 3200+ Barton. It's stock voltage was 1.65v, and at the time people were achieving insane (for that time) OCs at 1.8v. Most people did not exceed 1.8v because it was deemed bad for the CPU, and for temps. 1.8v is only a 9% voltage increase.
Somebody please tell me why 3 years ago a 9% voltage increase was the recommended max, and was considered alot, and acceptable, BUT why people are now whining that the e8400 can only take a 15% increase? It isn't like CPU technology has changed in some way that they can handle more voltage without frying. So why are people acting like that isn't the case?


I have nothing against the q6600, it is obviously a great CPU, I just find it funny when people think it outperforms new architecture CPUs in situations that are only using 2 cores. Click here, notice Crysis, as one example, seems to be doing better on average with the e8400s. This is just one example, look around, you'll find many more.
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There are degration issues with the wolfdales:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179965

The wolfdales OC great up to 4.0ghz, but after that (with my experience) it gets tricky. I got a new mobo though so it coulda been my previous 2 mobo's.

The q6600 is a primitive processor. I bought the g0 SLACR last week and it was nothing like my e8400. It's only good for handling load, but that's it.

and it doesn't do better in crysis, i dont know where you got that from.

Here are my conclusions from swapping back and forth from the two:

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Q6600 G0 SLACR


Pros
- Excellent for handling big loads, running lots of stuff in the background while gaming.
- Very fast and smooth encoding, compressing, uncompressing etc.

Cons
- Nowhere near as much FPS for gaming compared to the 45nm CPU's
- Bottlenecks the 9800GX2 unless you can achieve +3.8ghz
- Rarely can reach 3.7Ghz on good air
- 300w power consumption on load
- Very hot CPU, doing prime at 3.5ghz you're looking at 66c-70c on good air


Conclusion

If you have a very fast graphics card, the Q6600 will bottleneck it. If gaming is your thing and I mean fast, high fps, hardcore gaming, the Q6600 is not the right choice.
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For gaming i would go with E8400
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There are degration issues with the wolfdales:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=179965

The wolfdales OC great up to 4.0ghz, but after that (with my experience) it gets tricky. I got a new mobo though so it coulda been my previous 2 mobo's.

The q6600 is a primitive processor. I bought the g0 SLACR last week and it was nothing like my e8400. It's only good for handling load, but that's it.

and it doesn't do better in crysis, i dont know where you got that from.

Here are my conclusions from swapping back and forth from the two:

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- XFX 9800GX2
- SB Audigy 4 SE
- Scythe Orchi w/TriCool

Q6600 G0 SLACR


Pros
- Excellent for handling big loads, running lots of stuff in the background while gaming.
- Very fast and smooth encoding, compressing, uncompressing etc.

Cons
- Nowhere near as much FPS for gaming compared to the 45nm CPU's
- Bottlenecks the 9800GX2 unless you can achieve +3.8ghz
- Rarely can reach 3.7Ghz on good air
- 300w power consumption on load
- Very hot CPU, doing prime at 3.5ghz you're looking at 66c-70c on good air


Conclusion

If you have a very fast graphics card, the Q6600 will bottleneck it. If gaming is your thing and I mean fast, high fps, hardcore gaming, the Q6600 is not the right choice.
According to that poll, only 15% of the people that think they're experiencing degredation in their e8xxx series are actually in the recommended voltage. Of this 15%, how many know enough about OCing to be able to accurately blame it on degredation? The other 85% were playing with fire going above Intel's recommended max voltage of 1.36v.

It is like driving your car at 110mph with tires rated for 90mph max, and then getting pissed when they blow out on you.
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So the whole 1.4v+ thing is a myth?
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So the whole 1.4v+ thing is a myth?
No, overvolting past the recommended maximum on any CPU is bad, the e8400 is no exception. The myth was that the e8400 has problems with voltage, and the fact is that every CPU will can fry when overvolted past the recommended max. The e8400 may not handle as high of a percentage overvolt, but that doesn't make it a bad overclocker. You'll see most people in the 3.8-4.1ghz range with it, on air.
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I was never able to get my Q6600 GO stable at higher than 3.7 on air (and this with vcore over 1.5...).

the only place my Q6600 was faster than my current E8400 was in 3Dmark06... and thats it.
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