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I am curious about this as well. I just bought 4GB of ram and only see 2814MB of RAM. I have a 8800 GTS 640MB card. Is there anyway I can tell where my memory is being addressed? and what is using all of that memory? (I am using Vista Home Premium)
This as very random lately on how much memory people are actually seeing vs the video card memory. For example on my system with XP, I still see 3.5gb of memory available which makes sense due to my 512meg card... I have no idea why others are getting goofy numbers like yours... A friend of mine has 2 8800gt's with 512 each and his XP install shows 3gb of memory.

The only correlation I see is that the people with the 320bit cards with 640meg are having this issue more so then the 256bit card users.
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I still don't believe I've read anything that explains why my Vista Home Premium 32bit shows 2814MB available to vista (see my picture posting above). I have 4GB installed and my video card is only 320MB. So taking the worst case explanation that I've read in this thread, that means I should see somewhere around 3100MB available for use in Vista.

One of the articles posted leads me to believe that Vista would display 4096MB minus 320MB Minus other devices address spaces.

Another article posted leads me to believe that it would start that calculation at 3500MB not 4096MB.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here but with all the experts we have here, it would seem that one of them would know the exact formula for arriving at the number that is displayed by Vista in system properties as the total Ram it has access to.

There sure are enough people who run around screaming about you need 4GB in vista. "OMG we all need 4GB". Where are all those people now to explain why the hell vista can't see it once we install it?
There is no "exact" formula, as it depends on the devices you have installed. As mentioned previously, this is because of Memory Mapped IO (MMIO). This is so that there can be one address space that a program can write to, and the address determines where the data gets sent.

I have taken a few Computer Architecture classes, so I know about this stuff. Basically every card and device in your computer will take up some of the address space, but I don't know exactly how every possible device works or how much address space it needs, so it is hard to determine the exact amount of RAM any one person will see in a 32-bit OS.

Basically more devices and add-on cards = less usable RAM in a 32-bit OS. If you just upgrade to 64-bit, your problems will be solved. It's only like $10 to send in for the 64-bit disk anyway (or free for Linux :-P).
    
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If you just upgrade to 64-bit, your problems will be solved. It's only like $10 to send in for the 64-bit disk anyway (or free for Linux :-P).
That is much easier said than done. Not everything works in 64bit vista or XP for that matter. And there are just as many things that don't work in Linux, so that isn't the answer either.
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post #44 of 51
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There is no "exact" formula, as it depends on the devices you have installed. As mentioned previously, this is because of Memory Mapped IO (MMIO). This is so that there can be one address space that a program can write to, and the address determines where the data gets sent.

I have taken a few Computer Architecture classes, so I know about this stuff. Basically every card and device in your computer will take up some of the address space, but I don't know exactly how every possible device works or how much address space it needs, so it is hard to determine the exact amount of RAM any one person will see in a 32-bit OS.

Basically more devices and add-on cards = less usable RAM in a 32-bit OS. If you just upgrade to 64-bit, your problems will be solved. It's only like $10 to send in for the 64-bit disk anyway (or free for Linux :-P).
woh woh woh where is this send in $10 for 64-bit??? Does this work on OEM?
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woh woh woh where is this send in $10 for 64-bit??? Does this work on OEM?
Ya you just send them some info (I forget exactly what. I have to look it up) and they send you a 64bit disk for your OS. It costs like 10 or 15 bucks and you have to have a valid key.

Here's the link: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx
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Ok, my mistake. I overreacted when stating that there was a memory leak. After researching more I have come to the conclusion that the more PCI-E or PCI slots that you have devices installed on, the less a 32-Bit OS will allow you to use!
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Ok, my mistake. I overreacted when stating that there was a memory leak. After researching more I have come to the conclusion that the more PCI-E or PCI slots that you have devices installed on, the less a 32-Bit OS will allow you to use!
Well my friend has a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R motherboard. I just installed 4x1GB OCZ Platinum ram chips and he reads ~3.5GB of memory. He is using a EVGA 8800GTS 640MB graphics card. He has (1) PCI-e X16, (3) PCI-e X1 & (3) PCI slots.

I am using a EVGA 680i rev. A1 motherboard. I am using 2x2GB Crucial Ballistix ram chips and I read ~2.8GB of memory. I am using a BFG 8800GTS 640MB graphics card. I have (2) PCI-e X16, (1) PCI-e X8/X16, (2) PCI-e X1 & (2) PCI slots.
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This as very random lately on how much memory people are actually seeing vs the video card memory. For example on my system with XP, I still see 3.5gb of memory available which makes sense due to my 512meg card... I have no idea why others are getting goofy numbers like yours... A friend of mine has 2 8800gt's with 512 each and his XP install shows 3gb of memory.

The only correlation I see is that the people with the 320bit cards with 640meg are having this issue more so then the 256bit card users.
With my 2 512Mb 88s XP only shows 2.5Gb?I took the other 2 sticks out .
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That is much easier said than done. Not everything works in 64bit vista or XP for that matter. And there are just as many things that don't work in Linux, so that isn't the answer either.
I thought I saw an update on MS site for a 32bit 64bit info swap?Don't swear this is the way it works but it said something to the effect of a 64bit os being able to see and utilize 32bit data or something or the other.
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for anyone interested heres where you go to order new Vista discs. You can order CD Rom versions (instead of the default DVD Rom) or you can order x64 version to replace your x32 version. It costs $10 for shipping and handling.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...a/default.mspx

I think you have to have a Retail version, but academic versions will work too.
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