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I've had my system for about 7 years and the last upgrade was about 4 or 5 years ago when I installed a amd duron cpu and 2 sticks of kingston 512's.

a few years later i'm trying to figure out whether or not i should upgrade again or simply try the overclocking method. my budget is really tight right now so i started looking into OC'ing.

Last week I installed CPU-Z ver 1.44.1 and Everest Ultimate Edition to see exactly where my system stands. The results led me to believe there's room for improvement, but as i read some threads on this site (and other sites) I saw a lot of conflicting data. Man wouldn't it be nice if there was some master OC'er out there who had a system identical to mine and already maxed it out??? hahahaha....

Anyways...

What I'm trying to figure out what is needed for someone to help me. I'm knowledgeable with the terms and procedures involved. Should I take screenshots of my pc while in the bios setup screens or post reports from different softwares? Also, as i read the reports from CPU-Z and Everest, there were a few things I noticed. Such as timings for my memory and voltages for the mainboard don't necessarilly coincide with what the specs say from their respective manufacturers. My BIOS allows me to change a lot of these manually. When starting a boot right after clearing the jumpers and disconnecting the cmos batt. the system will boot with "default values." One strange thing i noticed as i read the screen during bootup, it says the cpu is running at 1350mhz, but when i check the specs all over the internet for my cpu, it should be at 1800mhz... is this because the bios settings are "underclocking" the cpu? this is really confusing because right now it IS running at 1800mhz after changing a few settings. So what i'm wondering is... did i actully OC the cpu? or did my setting changes just allow the cpu to run at its designed speed?

Again, let me know anything you need to help with an answer or make suggestions about my bios settings for the cpu and memory timings.

thanks in advance!

EDIT: appended from later post...

Ok, here are some screenshots of my BIOS settings....









before i did anything stupid, i thought it best you guys should have a look and give me some pointers

Thanks in advance!

Edit - in the DRAM timing control screen, if "Configure SDRAM timing by:" is changed to "user" i can adjust the 7 following lines...

also in the "frequency/Voltage Control" screen... Dynamic Overclocking can be changed to certain percentages: 1%, 2%, 5%, 7%, and 10%.
here's some info from my reports...

EVEREST Ultimate Edition

Version EVEREST v4.20.1307 Beta
Benchmark Module 2.3.218.0
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Quick Report
Computer BENS-COMPUTER (ben)
Generator Benjamin
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2008-03-14
Time 13:18


Summary

Computer:
Computer Type ACPI Uniprocessor PC
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.13 (IE 7.0)
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name BENS-COMPUTER (ben)
User Name Benjamin
SMTP E-mail Address benjamin.kendrick@sbcglobal.net
Logon Domain BENS-COMPUTER
Date / Time 2008-03-14 / 13:18

Motherboard:
CPU Type AMD Duron, 1800 MHz (13.5 x 133)
Motherboard Name MSI KT6V-LSR (MS-7021) (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 2 DDR DIMM, Audio, LAN)
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8377 Apollo KT600
System Memory 1024 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
DIMM1: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)
DIMM2: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)
BIOS Type AMI (10/20/04)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port ECP Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 (128 MB)
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 (128 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce FX 5700
Monitor Sceptre X24WG [24" LCD] (17381598)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Realtek ALC655 @ VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio Controller

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller - 0571
Storage Controller MagicISO SCSI Host Controller
Storage Controller SCSI/RAID Host Controller
Storage Controller VAX347S SCSI Controller
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive Maxtor 6Y080P0 (80 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)
Disk Drive QUANTUM BIGFOOT TS19.2A (18 GB, 4000 RPM, Ultra-ATA/33)
Optical Drive CRW-5224A
Optical Drive MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0000
Optical Drive QJ3127N WFX034J SCSI CdRom Device
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 22858 MB (11106 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 55301 MB (23379 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 18363 MB (1408 MB free)
Total Size 94.3 GB (35.1 GB free)

Input:
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse Microsoft USB Wireless Mouse (IntelliPoint)

Network:
Primary IP Address 192.168.1.64
Primary MAC Address 00-1C-10-60-7F-9B
Network Adapter Linksys Wireless-G PCI Network Adapter with SpeedBooster (192.168.1.64)

Peripherals:
Printer \\\\Denise\\ActiveCheck Printer
Printer \\\\Denise\\hp officejet 6100 series
Printer Auto ActiveCheck Printer on Denise
Printer Auto hp officejet 6100 series on Denise
Printer Auto VersaCheck Printer on DENISE
Printer Family Tree Maker Printer
Printer PDF-XChange 2 DE
USB1 Controller VIA VT8237 USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT8237 USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT8237 USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller VIA VT8237 USB Universal Host Controller
USB2 Controller VIA VT8237 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
USB Device Microsoft LifeCam VX-3000 #4
USB Device Microsoft LifeCam VX-3000.
USB Device USB Audio Device
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device

DMI:
DMI BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
DMI BIOS Version Version 07.00T
DMI System Manufacturer MSI
DMI System Product MS-7021
DMI System Version 1.0
DMI System Serial Number 00000000
DMI Motherboard Manufacturer MSI
DMI Motherboard Product MS-7021
DMI Motherboard Version 1.0
DMI Motherboard Serial Number 00000000
DMI Chassis Manufacturer Uknown Chassis Manufacture
DMI Chassis Version Version 1.00
DMI Chassis Serial Number 123456890
DMI Chassis Asset Tag 0123ABC
DMI Chassis Type Desktop Case
DMI Total / Free Memory Sockets 2 / 0


DMI

[ BIOS ]

BIOS Properties:
Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
Version Version 07.00T
Release Date 04/02/01
Size 256 KB
Boot Devices Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM, ATAPI ZIP, LS-120
Capabilities Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS, Selectable Boot, EDD, BBS
Supported Standards DMI, APM, ACPI, ESCD, PnP
Expansion Capabilities ISA, PCI, AGP, USB

[ System ]

System Properties:
Manufacturer MSI
Product MS-7021
Version 1.0
Serial Number 00000000
Wake-Up Type Modem Ring

[ Motherboard ]

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer MSI
Product MS-7021
Version 1.0
Serial Number 00000000

[ Chassis ]

Chassis Properties:
Manufacturer Uknown Chassis Manufacture
Version Version 1.00
Serial Number 123456890
Asset Tag 0123ABC
Chassis Type Desktop Case

[ Memory Controller ]

Memory Controller Properties:
Error Detection Method 32-bit ECC
Error Correction Single-bit
Supported Memory Interleave 1-Way
Current Memory Interleave 1-Way
Supported Memory Speeds 70ns, 60ns
Supported Memory Types SPM, FPM, EDO, Parity, ECC, SIMM
Supported Memory Voltages 3.3V
Maximum Memory Module Size 1024 MB
Memory Slots 2

[ Processors / AMD Duron(tm) ]

Processor Properties:
Manufacturer AMD
Version AMD Duron(tm)
External Clock 133 MHz
Maximum Clock 3000 MHz
Current Clock 1800 MHz
Type Central Processor
Voltage 3.3 V, 2.9 V
Status Enabled
Upgrade Socket A
Socket Designation Socket-A

[ Caches / Internal Cache ]

Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Write-Back
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Maximum Size 1024 KB
Installed Size 128 KB
Supported SRAM Type Synchronous
Current SRAM Type Synchronous
Error Correction None
Socket Designation Internal Cache

[ Caches / Internal Cache ]

Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Write-Back
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Maximum Size 1024 KB
Installed Size 64 KB
Supported SRAM Type Synchronous
Current SRAM Type Synchronous
Error Correction Single-bit ECC
Socket Designation Internal Cache

[ Memory Modules / DIMM1 ]

Memory Module Properties:
Socket Designation DIMM1
Type FPM, DIMM
Installed Size 512 MB
Enabled Size 512 MB

[ Memory Modules / DIMM2 ]

Memory Module Properties:
Socket Designation DIMM2
Type FPM, DIMM
Installed Size 512 MB
Enabled Size 512 MB

[ System Slots / PCI1 ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI1
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI2 ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI2
Type PCI
Usage In Use
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI3 ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI3
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI4 ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI4
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI5 ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI5
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI6 ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI6
Type PCI
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ Port Connectors / Def ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type SSA SCSI
Internal Reference Designator USB
Internal Connector Type Mini-Centronics
External Reference Designator Def
External Connector Type DB-25 pin male


Overclock

CPU Properties:
CPU Type AMD Duron
CPU Alias Applebred
CPU Stepping B0
CPUID CPU Name AMD Duron(tm)
CPUID Revision 00000681h

CPU Speed:
CPU Clock 1800.6 MHz
CPU Multiplier 13.5x
CPU FSB 133.4 MHz (original: 133 MHz)
Memory Bus 200.1 MHz
DRAM:FSB Ratio 6:4

CPU Cache:
L1 Code Cache 64 KB
L1 Data Cache 64 KB
L2 Cache 64 KB (On-Die, Full-Speed)

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 63-1020-009999-00101111-040201-VIA_K7$KT600300_A7021VMS V2.0 102004
Motherboard Name MSI KT6V-LSR (MS-7021) (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 2 DDR DIMM, Audio, LAN)

Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT8377 Apollo KT600
Memory Timings 3-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Command Rate (CR) 2T
DIMM1: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)
DIMM2: Kingston K 512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-2-2-6 @ 133 MHz)

BIOS Properties:
System BIOS Date 10/20/04
Video BIOS Date 03/02/04
DMI BIOS Version Version 07.00T

Graphics Processor Properties:
Video Adapter Asus V9570
GPU Code Name NV36 (AGP 8x 10DE / 0342, Rev A1)
GPU Clock 425 MHz
Memory Clock 250 MHz


Power Management

Power Management Properties:
Current Power Source AC Line
Battery Status No Battery
Full Battery Lifetime Unknown
Remaining Battery Lifetime Unknown


Portable Computer

Centrino 1 Platform Compliancy:
CPU: Intel Pentium M (Banias/Dothan) No (AMD Duron)
Chipset: Intel i855GM/PM No (VIA VT8377 Apollo KT600)
WLAN: Intel PRO/Wireless No
System: Centrino 1 (Carmel) Compliant No

Centrino 2 Platform Compliancy:
CPU: Intel Pentium M (Dothan) No (AMD Duron)
Chipset: Intel i915GM/PM No (VIA VT8377 Apollo KT600)
WLAN: Intel PRO/Wireless No
System: Centrino 2 (Sonoma) Compliant No

Centrino 3 Platform Compliancy:
CPU: Intel Core (Yonah) / Core 2 (Merom) No (AMD Duron)
Chipset: Intel i945GM/PM No (VIA VT8377 Apollo KT600)
WLAN: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG No
System: Centrino 3 (Napa) Compliant No

Centrino 4 Platform Compliancy:
CPU: Intel Core 2 (Merom/Penryn) No (AMD Duron)
Chipset: Intel GM965/PM965 No (VIA VT8377 Apollo KT600)
WLAN: Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN No
System: Centrino 4 (Santa Rosa) Compliant No


Sensor

Sensor Properties:
Sensor Type Winbond W83697HF (ISA 290h)
GPU Sensor Type Fintek F75373S (NV-I2C 2Dh)
Video Adapter Fintek Generic
Chassis Intrusion Detected Yes

Temperatures:
Motherboard 25 °C (77 °F)
CPU 37 °C (99 °F)
GPU 28 °C (82 °F)
GPU Memory 28 °C (82 °F)
Maxtor 6Y080P0 24 °C (75 °F)

Cooling Fans:
CPU 3947 RPM
GPU 5244 RPM

Voltage Values:
CPU Core 1.49 V
+3.3 V 3.30 V
+5 V 5.03 V
+12 V 11.92 V
-12 V -13.52 V
-5 V -5.25 V
+5 V Standby 5.02 V
VBAT Battery 3.60 V
GPU Core 1.41 V
GPU Vcc 3.28 V
GPU AGP VDDQ 1.53 V
GPU FB VDDQ 2.58 V
Debug Info F AB FF FF
Debug Info T 25 37 255
Debug Info V 5D 00 CE BB C4 11 31 (01)
Debug Info I 60 6012




let me know if you need other info...
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Zomg...7 years?
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Well, the easiest way to help you is to ask what your budget is. You would be surprised at how cheap you could get into a basic AMD or Intel PC. With DDR2, GFX cards and CPU prices dropping, this is a good time.




edit: The BIOS can sometimes set things to a default according to the BIOS and not the hardwrae manufacturer. Even with current hardware, many items need to be manually set in the BIOS. As far as the COU speed, that could be due to an application that lowers clock speeds when not stressed.

edit2: Also, if you can afford it, I highly recommend you upgrade. You will be amazed at the performance increase. If you can't afford new, the FS section here is a great place to start. I will be selling a mobo, CPU and RAM combo for $160-$180 in the next few weeks. Something like that would be a good start.
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Thread Starter 
as i stated earlier, there is no budget as of now haha
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One of the issues you are going to discover is that your MBs chip set does not have a PCI/AGP lock and as you increase the CPU bus speed the PCI/AGP will increase to a point of instability. Sorry, the KT600 chip set is not a strong OCer.
But!!!
You may have an unlocked multiplier! Or can "unlock" it
Try upping the multiplier by 1 in the BIOS and see if the overall speed increases.
If it does your good to go with some CPU voltage increases and upping the multiplier.
Keep the CPU full load temp below 60c when stress testing with ORthos or Prime95.
Another possible option is upping the voltage and increasing the default CPU bus speed... like up from 133 to 166.
If your CPU is locked, check out the link.
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/...709_1009731__6
    
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Thread Starter 
actually i should have said i started building this system 7 years ago and its been a continuous build hehe, of course there have been other upgrades here and there such as a nicer video card, a larger HD, wireless, etc... but i haven't upgraded anything in the last 18 months
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duke, the link you posted.... that was for athlonxp unlocking, i have a duron... or are they the same? actually i believe the multiplier is already unlocked...
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I know nothing about technology that old haha, but when you're ready...

$60 - Intel E2180 (overclocks to 3.2-3.5GHz)
$60 - Abit IP35-E
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$32 - 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC2 6400
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$369 Total (after $115 in MIR, and before S&H which would be about $25)

This system would give you such an enormous difference over your current rig... words cannot describe it haha. You'd have a dual core CPU running at over 3.2GHz and a decent GPU (leaps and bounds over your current GPU). Plan on $500 upfront and $400 total (includes shipping, after MIR) and you can get yourself a nice machine for basic computer use, high settings on any game more than a year old, and medium (occasionally low) settings on the newest games.
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edit - deleted and added to original post
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Ok, most Socket A Sempys were unlocked anyway.
The "vcore" will get increased, a notch at a time as needed along with the increase in the CPU multiplier.
Since your not increasing the CPU bus speed, the RAM will be fine at default.
There is not chip set voltage so it may hold you back a bit.

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