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Unfortunately this is not true. How do you think criminals get their guns? There are only two ways because they buy guns, they don't make them.

They get them from stealing them from citizens and filing off the serial numbers or from importing. Importing costs way too much and is difficult to do without being detected.

I feel like I'm arguing with a bunch of people who live in rural areas and suburbs who like to stockpile guns for their safety. You wouldn't need to stockpile if others didn't have any.
I live in Baltimore.

Do you REALLY think that banning guns will mean the criminals won't get theirs?

Ever hear of importing? Private manufacturing (Yes, IT IS DONE. Don't sit there and tell me building a gun is difficult to make, it is not).

Granted, most criminals aren't smart enough to build their own. All it takes is one person to know how to, then sell those illegally to the criminals.

Hey Funk,
One question. First, still waiting on your reply on my other post. Second...

IF we ban guns, does the government get to keep theirs?

IF you answer yes, WHY? Because, according to your logic, no one would need guns if they were banned.
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post #113 of 182
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I don't give up? For proof that the gun ban had no significant impact, you gave 'proof' that gun crimes in one city went up 10% from 2006 to 2007.

Think logically. If gun crime went down 500% since the ban up to 2006 and then went up 10%....is that a significant increase or not?

You just don't know how to analyze facts.
In terms of significant impact, I was referring to a POSITIVE impact, which it has NOT provided. Sorry for not making it clearer.

The gun ban has had negative effects, ie. an increase in gun-related crime.
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post #114 of 182
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#2 is ridiculous. No one is asking for a nanny state. Knives and cars are essential tools to life. *** type of tool is a handgun? Serves one purpose.
Quit spinning the subject to nanny states or big brother.
I think he was being sarcastic. Something Americans will never understand
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It is not in the least bit the issue of him getting a firearm, but it is an issue of him not knowing how to use the firearm that is the problem.

The bad parenting is that his parents did no teach him proper safety with the firearm.

I knew by the time I was 5 that if I saw a firearm of any sort I should leave it alone.
Good point.

You're never going to be able to take away the guns from all you Americans. Why not make early education on firearms mandatory for the families who have one?
The gun owners pay for it and a certificate to certify all family members have received the proper training must be presented before one is able to buy a weapon or during the background check.
The real question is how do you get households with weapons already present to comply, as we know it would be a cold day in hell before America would consent to a gun registry? How about holding the owners of guns which are used in accidental deaths accountable?
    
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Because its the video games, and not the fact that it happened in texas...
It certainly had nothing to do with the fact that the kid apparently had access to a gun either......
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the fact that this occured in texas is irrelevant...this could have occurred anywhere and the blame should be placed on the parents for not teaching their kid about gun safety...i would say not even close to 50% of houses in texas own a gun...stereotypes...
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Okay, I understand your perspective now. But here's my counter argument.

If I were to go to the UK, you're right, I wouldn't expect to get a shot. Well it's possible, but more rare, we can agree, right?

BUT, I read constantly in the online news sites (here in the USA) of stabbings in the U.K. I can't help but think, what if that innocent stabbing victim had a gun for self defense?
Then he would've been shot And you don't read about stabbings in the US because those things just aren't "news" to americans(unless the killer has done something clever with the body )


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The gun owners pay for it and a certificate to certify all family members have received the proper training must be presented before one is able to buy a weapon or during the background check.
The real question is how do you get households with weapons already present to comply, as we know it would be a cold day in hell before America would consent to a gun registry? How about holding the owners of guns which are used in accidental deaths accountable?
Thats my point, in Texas you don't have to do that. No permits, no registration, nothing. They only thing you need permission from the government for is to carry handguns and carry concealed weapons. There isn't even a waiting period, you can basically just walk into a gun store, show them proof of majority and walk out with a gun.

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Good point.

You're never going to be able to take away the guns from all you Americans. Why not make early education on firearms mandatory for the families who have one?
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And conversely, if one looks at Switzerland, where every able bodied man owns a firearm (all 7 million) then look at their gun crime RATIO (obviously they have a lower population, so you have to look at the ratio).
Heres the real issue, while the lax Texan gun laws are the immediate reason, you need to look much deeper than that, right to the very core of what Americans believe in. I'm probably going to offend a lot of people right now but Americans are generally really arrogant. All I ever hear is talk of their amendments, more specifically freedom of speech(a good thing), and the right to bear arms, which should be removed from the constitution because guess what THE ENGLISH AREN'T COMING! You also have to look at the American belief that they should control all of North America(I forget the name, its something in latin). The end result is that Americans like to shoot things, the reason you don't get even a 10th of gun related deaths in the rest of the world, despite the fact that many countries have more guns per capita than the US, is because the rest of the world has enough common sense to know not to shoot someone unless as the last line of self defense.
    
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We can only do away with gun control once every person becomes responsible enough to handle one, and once that happens, the use for guns will cease to exist.

Guns are merely a medium through which violence and hateful acts are performed, but let's not kid ourselves that guns serve more than one purpose.
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I use firearms to procure sustenance.
    
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