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The funny thing is, all of you have yet to answer my question.

If we ban guns, does the government get to keep theirs? If so, why? It's not their job to protect us (search: Warren Vs. District of Columbia)


It really doesn't matter what you all say.

I'm protecting my family, I'm keeping my guns. I'm not paranoid; I just want to live. I refuse to be a victim, and I refuse to be a victim from the government. It is my God given right to defend myself; and I will so at all costs.

That's it for my contribution. I respect your opinion, please respect mine.


Gentlemen, I wouldn't need a gun if the government gave up theres, and so did the criminals.

Please give them the memo, and when they give up theirs, I'll give up mine.
post #122 of 182
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Thats my point, in Texas you don't have to do that. No permits, no registration, nothing. They only thing you need permission from the government for is to carry handguns and carry concealed weapons. There isn't even a waiting period, you can basically just walk into a gun store, show them proof of majority and walk out with a gun.
Really? I thought there was a national waiting period and background check?

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Heres the real issue, while the lax Texan gun laws are the immediate reason, you need to look much deeper than that, right to the very core of what Americans believe in. I'm probably going to offend a lot of people right now but Americans are generally really arrogant. All I ever hear is talk of their amendments, more specifically freedom of speech(a good thing), and the right to bear arms, which should be removed from the constitution because guess what THE ENGLISH AREN'T COMING! You also have to look at the American belief that they should control all of North America(I forget the name, its something in latin). The end result is that Americans like to shoot things, the reason you don't get even a 10th of gun related deaths in the rest of the world, despite the fact that many countries have more guns per capita than the US, is because the rest of the world has enough common sense to know not to shoot someone unless as the last line of self defense.
Is the "latin" word you were looking for their "Manifest Destiny?"

Look, I used to think that guns must be eliminated from society as well, but I came to the realization that the vast majority of Americans do not want this to happen. The social environment is not there to enact such a drastic change. The fact that both Democratic Presidential candidates won't even think about walking into a debate about gun law, even though they represent the demographic that would accept new gun laws, for fear of losing the election shows that the environment for change is not there.
If you want to create an environment more accepting of change, the answer lies in education.

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We can only do away with gun control once every person becomes responsible enough to handle one, and once that happens, the use for guns will cease to exist.

Guns are merely a medium through which violence and hateful acts are performed, but let's not kid ourselves that guns serve more than one purpose.
That's just ignorant. Guns are pretty, shiny things that make loud noises and put holes in things.

Seriously though, not all gun owners are gangsters.
    
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The funny thing is, all of you have yet to answer my question.

If we ban guns, does the government get to keep theirs?


It really doesn't matter what you all say.

I'm protecting my family, I'm keeping my guns. I'm not paranoid; I just want to live. I refuse to be a victim, and I refuse to be a victim from the government. It is my God given right to defend myself; and I will so at all costs.

That's it for my contribution. I respect your opinion, please respect mine.
That's cool, but I hope you would use reasonable force if the situation arises. IE, you don't have to blow some scum bags face off if he breaks into your house and isn't carrying a weapon... it's cool to knee cap the ******* though. And I hope you wouldn't be the type to shoot two dudes in the back after they rob your neighbour's house, like that self righteous prick in Texas did last year. Those with that idea of self-defense deserve the death penalty as much as those who do drive bys.
    
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post #124 of 182
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That's cool, but I hope you would use reasonable force if the situation arises. IE, you don't have to blow some scum bags face off if he breaks into your house and isn't carrying a weapon... it's cool to knee cap the ******* though. And I hope you wouldn't be the type to shoot two dudes in the back after they rob your neighbour's house, like that self righteous prick in Texas did last year. Those with that idea of self-defense deserve the death penalty as much as those who do drive bys.
That's where I differ. I'm not one to shoot over property. I call the police, make a report, etc. However, if they are in my house, and I catch them, I WILL tell them to put their hands up, and stop moving. If they run out the door, I'll let them leave. I don't care about property; it's replaceable. IF I tell them to run, and they charge me, I am shooting.
post #125 of 182
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That's where I differ. I'm not one to shoot over property. I call the police, make a report, etc. However, if they are in my house, and I catch them, I WILL tell them to put their hands up, and stop moving. If they run out the door, I'll let them leave. I don't care about property; it's replaceable. IF I tell them to run, and they charge me, I am shooting.
Personally i agree with you, guns are for self defense, if you are in danger from another person and you gave them a fair chance to change there mind and they didn't, then i think it would then be appropriate to use a gun.
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I'm protecting my family, I'm keeping my guns. I'm not paranoid; I just want to live. I refuse to be a victim, and I refuse to be a victim from the government. It is my God given right to defend myself; and I will so at all costs.

That's it for my contribution. I respect your opinion, please respect mine.
I respect that you feel the need to protect your family, but I kinda feel sorry for you. You're a victim of the media, which operates with the sole purpose of inducing this kind of fear into the masses. Unless you're living in say, Compton, what are the chances of somebody breaking into your home and putting a gun to your head? The fact that you have a gun and feel religiously obligated to use it just sets yourself up for the kind of things Iconoclast was talking about.

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Really? I thought there was a national waiting period and background check?



Is the "latin" word you were looking for their "Manifest Destiny?"
Thats a major facepalm for me. TBH High School socials was a bit of a blur for me, 90% of the time we ended up talking about how America has so many problems (my socials teacher grew up in Compton). I kept thinking Habeas Corpus...

There is a national criminal record check, but that only applies to licensed dealers. Aside from that the laws vary from state to state.


The whole problem is if the government wanted to change the way Americans feel about guns, they would react unanimously saying its "unamerican" and its their "god given right". Its basically like that with most major issues. Eventually they are either going to piss the rest of the world off so much that they get simultaneously nuked by N.Korea and Pakistan, or they are going to bankrupt their economy with so many BS wars that China is going to literally buy/cripple them. Eventually what will happen is Canada will annex the northern border states while Mexico will take the southern states (New Mexico literally becomes New Mexico) and everything left will either be nuclear wasteland or the newest province of China.
    
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Thats my point, in Texas you don't have to do that. No permits, no registration, nothing. They only thing you need permission from the government for is to carry handguns and carry concealed weapons. There isn't even a waiting period, you can basically just walk into a gun store, show them proof of majority and walk out with a gun.



Most states don't require a permit to buy anything besides to carry a handgun. I bought a shotgun the other week and the only thing I needed was a license and a background check.

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That's cool, but I hope you would use reasonable force if the situation arises. IE, you don't have to blow some scum bags face off if he breaks into your house and isn't carrying a weapon... it's cool to knee cap the ******* though. And I hope you wouldn't be the type to shoot two dudes in the back after they rob your neighbour's house, like that self righteous prick in Texas did last year. Those with that idea of self-defense deserve the death penalty as much as those who do drive bys.
If you would break into someones house, you deserve to be shot. End of discussion.
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Most states don't require a permit to buy anything besides to carry a handgun. I bought a shotgun the other week and the only thing I need was a license and a background check.
Thats all you need in AZ too.
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In terms of significant impact, I was referring to a POSITIVE impact, which it has NOT provided. Sorry for not making it clearer.

The gun ban has had negative effects, ie. an increase in gun-related crime.
Wow. How else can i spell this out for you man?! You provided a single article saying that gun crimes in London, one single city, rose 10% in one year.


1. That is a city, no the country as a whole

2. That is only one year

3. In order to determine if the gun ban is providing a positive or negative impact, you have to analyze gun crime FROM THE INCEPTION OF THE GUN BAN TO NOW, NOT JUST 1 YEAR

I hope i never have to bring this up again. Your 'fact' is poor and unusable as evidence to support your opinion.


Please, provide a link saying gun crimes have risen since the beginning of the gun ban or stop talking.
    
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