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Unless someone is being threatened with a gun, there are other methods to defend yourself. If someone threatens you with a knife, zap em with a taser, or hit them with a bat, or threaten them with a bigger knife. A taser is actually something I try to suggest for people who want self defense but not the liability and/or risk involved with a firearm. Plus, a taser is just like a gun in that the physical differences between attacker and victim are negligible when you're dealing with the pulling of a trigger.

However, like I said before, if you're being threatened with a gun, then obviously the point is nil since there are still people utilizing guns for violent and hateful purposes, at which point you come back at them with whatever you feel necessary to defend your personal well-being.
If I understand you correctly, if you're threatened by someone with a firearm, then it's OK to use a firearm in self defense. If you're threatened by someone with something less lethal than a firearm, a firearm is not your suggested defense.
All we have to do now is carefully choose our assailants
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If I understand you correctly, if you're threatened by someone with a firearm, then it's OK to use a firearm in self defense. If you're threatened by someone with something less lethal than a firearm, a firearm is not your suggested defense.
All we have to do now is carefully choose our assailants
You misinterpreted what I was saying.

If someone is coming at you with a gun, then it is obvious that humanity has not evolved to the point where there no longer exists the need to use a gun at all. Until that point can be reached, gun violence will continue to exist, along with all other kinds of human vs. environment violence, because that means that humans have not excised the use of violence from the mindset of a species that considers itself to be so technologically and philosophically advanced. In the interest of self-preservation, it can almost be considered a requirement for you to defend your well-being with a gun in order to protect yourself to the best of your ability.

Short of it: guns and other lethal tools and their ill effects will continue to be experienced until humans decide to grow up and stop committing animalistic and primitive acts against each other.
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Well I think this is finally a case where a video game is actually responsible for the violence, but not how many activists would say. I will agree that the video game was the reason for the conflict and the shooting, but I don't think the game had any influence on making the kid violent. Whether he lost in a video game or got beaten in a lunch time game of basketball, I think the outcome would have been the same. Unfortunately the game happened to be the trigger in this case, so gaming will receive 7 more years of bad luck.
Well i'd disagree, this wouldnt have happened if the kid didnt have a deadly weapon at age 13. It his fault and the kid's parent's fault, but God Of War doesn't say

"KILL YOUR FRIEND WE SAID YOU COULD COME ON GRAB THAT SHOTTIE"
They were just making a game. His friens who thinks a headshot isnt fatal seems pretty retarded to me. Solution = no guns
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Well i'd disagree, this wouldnt have happened if the kid didnt have a deadly weapon at age 13. It his fault and the kid's parent's fault, but God Of War doesn't say

"KILL YOUR FRIEND WE SAID YOU COULD COME ON GRAB THAT SHOTTIE"
They were just making a game. His friens who thinks a headshot isnt fatal seems pretty retarded to me. Solution = no guns
It would be correct to say that it was not the game that made him act that way, but it would be incorrect to say that it didn't influence his mindset and perhaps rationalized his decisions (in his own mind, of course). In that case, it is not the game that should be blamed, but the parents who raised him in a way that forgot to or actively chose not to stress the danger a gun actually places.

However, you have to wonder if this is another prime example of natural selection at work. There's something to say about the moron who gets rid of land mines by jumping on them: it saved us from having to take the risk, but we had to clean up the mess.
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Really... I know I am late to this discussion, and my two cents is not necessary...but screw it I am donating it anyway

1. Video games DO influence kids... as does Television, movies and all other forms of media. Yet I am unaware of any mass outrage, or effort to clean up the joke that the Networks pander as journalism.

2. I think it is wildly irresponsible for anyone, professional or other, as to speculate what the motivation for this crime was. Many factors were probably in play.

3. The unprecedented ease of access to information, entertainment and education is unlike anything I could have possibly imagined as a child... but even as "naive" as I was when I was younger I KNEW FOR CERTAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. Parenting aside, the young man was well aware of the consequences of his actions... and made the conscious decision to pull the trigger of a loaded weapon.

4. The right to bare arms is not the issue... the responsibility of doing so is.

Knee jerk reactions are to look for some reason to explain how something like this could happen... how bout this: The kid was just a bad person...
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It certainly had nothing to do with the fact that the kid apparently had access to a gun either......
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thats the only constant in every single one of these type of cases. horrible parents. it amazes me everyday when i see how little some ppl care about thier children.
Agreed. That was exactly the point I tried to make with my first post in this thread.
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Really... I know I am late to this discussion, and my two cents is not necessary...but screw it I am donating it anyway

1. Video games DO influence kids... as does Television, movies and all other forms of media. Yet I am unaware of any mass outrage, or effort to clean up the joke that the Networks pander as journalism.

2. I think it is wildly irresponsible for anyone, professional or other, as to speculate what the motivation for this crime was. Many factors were probably in play.

3. The unprecedented ease of access to information, entertainment and education is unlike anything I could have possibly imagined as a child... but even as "naive" as I was when I was younger I KNEW FOR CERTAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. Parenting aside, the young man was well aware of the consequences of his actions... and made the conscious decision to pull the trigger of a loaded weapon.

4. The right to bare arms is not the issue... the responsibility of doing so is.

Knee jerk reactions are to look for some reason to explain how something like this could happen... how bout this: The kid was just a bad person...
1. You can lay the blame for the double standards regarding what is considered proper or obscene at the feet of the "Federal Christian Commission". Regarding journalism, there isn't mass outrage about it because everyone loves to hear their own interpretation of the truth, even though it rarely is nonpartisan.

2. It doesn't take a professional speculator to see that there probably wasn't a motive in this case, as motivation implies the ability to think about your actions and what they entail. This kid didn't think at all.

3. Agreed. There is simply no argument that can be made (with the exception of someone who has a mental disability) that what he did was based on a misunderstanding or a confusion. There are grey areas in a lot of situations, but putting a bullet in someone's head isn't one of them.

4. With the current popularity of t-shirts, I think there are more people learning how to responsibly wear sleeveless uppper bodywear.
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1. You can lay the blame for the double standards regarding what is considered proper or obscene at the feet of the "Federal Christian Commission". Regarding journalism, there isn't mass outrage about it because everyone loves to hear their own interpretation of the truth, even though it rarely is nonpartisan.

2. It doesn't take a professional speculator to see that there probably wasn't a motive in this case, as motivation implies the ability to think about your actions and what they entail. This kid didn't think at all.

3. Agreed. There is simply no argument that can be made (with the exception of someone who has a mental disability) that what he did was based on a misunderstanding or a confusion. There are grey areas in a lot of situations, but putting a bullet in someone's head isn't one of them.

4. With the current popularity of t-shirts, I think there are more people learning how to responsibly wear sleeveless uppper bodywear.
1. It is all too easy to blame federal regulatory bodies (FCC), as flawed as the system is... we still have avenues of recourse and change through our elected officials (again, I wish not to open up the can of worms that is bipartisan electoral politics...which is a bastardization of democracy).

2. I think there was a motive... he wished to exact some token of revenge. Where as I would probably "pants" the kid, or hit on his sister... he opted for the "shoot 'em in the dome" route. When you pull the trigger of a loaded weapon, you are thinking... maybe not clearly, but this was not an "accident".

3. We are in agreement

4. Sleeveless upper bodywear is a privilege.... not a right.
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It would be correct to say that it was not the game that made him act that way, but it would be incorrect to say that it didn't influence his mindset and perhaps rationalized his decisions (in his own mind, of course). In that case, it is not the game that should be blamed, but the parents who raised him in a way that forgot to or actively chose not to stress the danger a gun actually places.

However, you have to wonder if this is another prime example of natural selection at work. There's something to say about the moron who gets rid of land mines by jumping on them: it saved us from having to take the risk, but we had to clean up the mess.
Yeah i agree it probably did rationalize his decisions, he probably doesn't have to vast an aspect on death, and the game is surely a rason for it, i find it would be the parents fault/
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All the anti-gun posters in this thread should watch this video.

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