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On topic: lack luster vista sales, imo, are almost solely because of the negative light shined on it by articles and apple ads. Add that to the fact that everyone thinks it is as bad it was at release, and not remembering how much we all hated the tranistion to xp.

Add that to the fact we just got too used to xp.. 5 years is a long time. Same reason people dont like word 07.. Its easier and more logical to yse, but people arent used to easy, they are used o a program thats been used just as long if not longer than xp
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More or less, if Microsoft actually put something in Vista that the average person percieved as "necessary" to have that XP didn't, then maybe they would have sold more copies of it...

Add to that their pricing structure on Vista and more or less, the average man is not going out of their way to buy this software.

We as consumers are not bound to buy this new software "just because"... however since M$ wants to make a profit for themselves, they dayuum sure are doing their best to force us to make that move... but resistance is strong and ultimately they might need to back off and re-think their marketing strategy.

Either that... or make sure that they dayuum sure express "what's better than the current O/S" in the next software release down the road.

Bottom line... why would someone just throw out something that works and satisfies their needs "just because" a new version is out? Not everyone feels the need to have the "latest greatest" just because it is available.

Honestly, XP was a good O/S. It did what it needed to do and more or less satisfies the core audience for which it was intended. This new O/S just doesn't tickle everyone's "hot button" as a must have expenditure.
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^ Exactly.

Why should I upgrade from XP? Provide me with just one compelling reason as to why I should spend $100 for a TechNet subscription and a copy of Vista?

I see this move as a way for Microsoft to force us into buying new software licenses... I'll flip them the bird and be content with my copy of XP Pro.
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pbpenguins and DarkFury: I agree completely. There are those on this forum who will say that vista is so advanced, and that vista is the future. But I think most people don't find any reason to upgrade.

My point is this: if windows wasn't pre-installed on every pre-built PC, vista wouldn't have the sales figures it has now.

I think PCs should be sold without OSs... windows should be sold separately. If they're not going to do that, office might as well come with windows (they make it separate to prevent a "monopoly," right?).

Edit: people are going to misinterpret this whole thing: note that none of my post says that vista is bad.
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More or less, if Microsoft actually put something in Vista that the average person percieved as "necessary" to have that XP didn't, then maybe they would have sold more copies of it...

Add to that their pricing structure on Vista and more or less, the average man is not going out of their way to buy this software.

We as consumers are not bound to buy this new software "just because"... however since M$ wants to make a profit for themselves, they dayuum sure are doing their best to force us to make that move... but resistance is strong and ultimately they might need to back off and re-think their marketing strategy.

Either that... or make sure that they dayuum sure express "what's better than the current O/S" in the next software release down the road.

Bottom line... why would someone just throw out something that works and satisfies their needs "just because" a new version is out? Not everyone feels the need to have the "latest greatest" just because it is available.

Honestly, XP was a good O/S. It did what it needed to do and more or less satisfies the core audience for which it was intended. This new O/S just doesn't tickle everyone's "hot button" as a must have expenditure.
Why bother upgrading from 95 to 98? 98 to 2K? 2K from ME?

People have been singing the same sad song with every windows release.

Following the "Prove to me it's worth buying" logic, we'd still be using Win 3.1... heck, lets just go back to typewriters and file cabinets.

Vista has been hands and feet better for me than XP in the short time I've used it. I work in an office with at least ten PC's and ten Macs, and I can honestly say that OSX isn't all that, and neither is XP. I personally love Vista.

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My point is this: if windows wasn't pre-installed on every pre-built PC, vista wouldn't have the sales figures it has now.
Same goes for XP, OSX, and every other bundled OS since the beginning of the PC industry. A fairly empty statement... that unfairly casts Vista in a somehow different light than other OS's.

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^ Exactly.

Why should I upgrade from XP? Provide me with just one compelling reason as to why I should spend $100 for a TechNet subscription and a copy of Vista?
So you can utilize all of the ram listed in your sig without the nightmare that is XP 64 bit...
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I mentioned this in another thread, but several of our customer's _cannot_ use vista due to the fact once vista is installed the machine attempts to communicate with an outside server randomly during the day and every time they insert a DVD with any sort of DRM stuff. A strict violation of the internal security of those sites. Both companies have communicated this behavior to M$, but are getting the runaround. They are currently re-writing all of their apps for linux because of this problem. One application is done and in the testing/acceptance phase. 2 left.
hey airbozo, i work in a similar environment. between the company i work for and the one we are a subcontractor for, there are literally thousands of pc's that will never get vista because of these types of issues. and as slow as the DoD is, it will take many years to get vista authorized for use.

now a couple thousand pc's may not sound like a big deal to ms, but considering the fact that they refresh machines every year, it really starts to add up. additionally, these are very large corporations who may just start moving everything to another option (mac? egads) as they refresh to maintain a single support network
    
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Same goes for XP, OSX, and every other bundled OS since the beginning of the PC industry. A fairly empty statement... that unfairly casts Vista in a somehow different light than other OS's.
Yep, same should go for OSX. But it's easier to use windows for my example, obviously, since it's on 95% of computers.

Who's with me? Computers and OSs should be sold separately!

Oh, iandh: you still owe me an apology, and I am waiting
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Why bother upgrading from 95 to 98? 98 to 2K? 2K from ME?

People have been singing the same sad song with every windows release.

Following the "Prove to me it's worth buying" logic, we'd still be using Win 3.1... heck, lets just go back to typewriters and file cabinets.

Vista has been hands and feet better for me than XP in the short time I've used it. I work in an office with at least ten PC's and ten Macs, and I can honestly say that OSX isn't all that, and neither is XP. I personally love Vista.
And yet you must've missed my point...

If Windows 95, 98, or 2K SATISFIES YOUR NEEDS... then why upgrade?

If you are still running sofware circa 1995 through 1998 (and yes, I do know folks who are STILL using Lotus 1-2-3 and Word Perfect from ages ago on a Pentium 1 computer) and you don't NEED an upgrade, then why bother? (Not that Vista would even load on a Pentium 1 PC... heh... that's a funny thought indeed. )

Me personally, I upgraded from Windows 98SE to XP because I was tired of the BSODs and the problematic USB issues. I NEEDED XP... because I did run newer software that didn't like the Windows 98SE environment. This upgrade was justifiable in my eyes...

Shift to today.. the software I use today DOES NOT require Windows Vista to operate. It operates just fine under Windows XP, therefore I am content with staying with WindowsXP. I am not a SHEEP that must buy a new O/S for the sake being "l33t" or having some kind of bragging rights (if you really can brag about Vista versus XP).

To me, your statement above is sorta pointless since it doesn't address the heart of the issue I presented before.

BTW... if a typewriter suits your needs over a PC, then more power to ya... no skin off the rest of our "collective noses". It's a matter of CHOICE to some of us... that and the fact that M$ seeks to limit our choices on THEIR production schedule kinda burns me in this discussion.

Now that being said...when new software that I NEED comes out that requires Windows Vista or higher to run, then at that point, I'll have to most likely upgrade my system, but until that point, I personally don't see the point nor are compelled to do so just to be in the "in crowd" of those of you who have already adopted Windows Vista.
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People are just annoyed because they need to upgrade for Vista. Welcome to the world of computing!

I don't moan because Crysis won't run on my PIII 800Mhz Dell laptop. I don't make blog-rants because Office 2007 won't run on Windows 95.

Technology is always evolving and looking ahead. Vista has been designed to last a good few years before the next installment is released. XP did the same back in 2001 and it lasted well up until 2007/2008.

Why on earth would Microsoft design an OS that supports older hardware so that blog-whiners can run it at 2000FPS with Boot times of 3 seconds?!
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... okay. Microsoft is not terminating support for XP. Nothing's forcing current users to switch to vista. If you buy a new computer that isn't spec'ed to run vista then you're getting the bone. Vista's requirements are not that steep. If you buy a new PC next year and want to run XP then the burden's on you to find a copy of that OS, or you can zip it and use vista. Vista is a fine OS.

Do you like the changes made in Adobe's latest suite? No? Tough you can't go into the store and pick up a copy circa 1998; no, you have to buy the latest one. Nobody expects this of other software manufacturers, yet it's all microsoft's fault that they don't want to sell new licenses of a many years old OS.
If Vista's requirements were as steep as the nublets that diss it say they are, my computer wouldn't run at all, when much to the contrary it runs just fine.
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I've used vista as my main OS since Beta 2 and I've had no problems. It's a fine OS.
Linux is great too. XP feels outdated when I use it IMHO :\\
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