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Nice price for a high-end CPU, but that's only because of its lack of performance. I also don't see how AMD can have a Black Edition CPU when they overclock like crap.
They are a new revision... You won't know how they perform until there are benchmarks to back it up.
    
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There's no benchmarks on these new Phenom's and people are already shooting it down.

Also if the name of the Phenom is 9X50, its the B3 stepping.
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AMD needs a cpu that will break the magical 4.0 GHZ mark.
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There's no benchmarks on these new Phenom's and people are already shooting it down.

Also if the name of the Phenom is 9X50, its the B3 stepping.
On the contrary, you can use the original benchmarks or apply the performance decrease observed by many Phenom users after the BIOS fix was applied to the current benchmarks. No stepping will improve performance enough to push the Phenom into competition with high-end Intel CPUs.

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They are a new revision... You won't know how they perform until there are benchmarks to back it up.
I highly doubt it will make that much of a difference. They are starting from almost nothing in terms of overclockability so even a decent improvement will still yield mediocre overclocking at best, so I still stand behind my statement.
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AMD needs a cpu that will break the magical 4.0 GHZ mark.
It's not all about clock speed. They proved that when a 3 GHz Athlon outpaced a 4 GHz P4. Hopefully, the whole "native quad core" actually proves to perform better, clock for clock, than Intel's technology. And it's only called a Black Edition because of the unlocked multiplier. It doesn't matter if it OCs or not, Black Edition means unlocked Mult.
    
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On the contrary, you can use the original benchmarks or apply the performance decrease observed by many Phenom users after the BIOS fix was applied to the current benchmarks. No stepping will improve performance enough to push the Phenom into competition with high-end Intel CPUs.
Give it a chance to come out before you call it ****. Geez, there's some Phenoms out now, why don't you go ****tify the ones already out first? You can't just say "O, the B1s and B2's sucked perf-wise because of the BIOS-based patch, therefore the B3's are gonna suck too" when the whole reason AMD even made another stepping is to fix the errata WITHOUT the performance drop you people *****ed about so loudly. They could have said "Go bork yourselves, you have any idea how hard this **** is to make?!", but instead they made a whole new revision just to shut you people up...

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I highly doubt it will make that much of a difference. They are starting from almost nothing in terms of overclockability so even a decent improvement will still yield mediocre overclocking at best, so I still stand behind my statement.
Again, it's not even out yet. Nobody outside of AMD knows what this thing can do. Wait till the damn thing's out before you call it ****, there's still plenty of B2's and B1's that you haven't danced on.

And don't pull the fanboi card out on me either. Note that I'm still on 939, obviously I can't afford AM2 OR 775 at the moment. Right now I could care less which brand I go with as BOTH will do what I need with no problems..yes, you heard me...A Q6600 would perform just as fine as a 9850 BE in my application...hell I'd never even fully load up all four cores untill Source can use quads. Big deal, it scores lower in benches and it isn't clock-for-clock faster, or clocks higher...It's still a MAJOR improvement over my single-core from the stone age. I'm sure I won't notice the minor performance edge the Intel chip has over the AMD chip in this upgrade situation, nor do I need it...unless you think 35FPS over 30FPS when detonating 1,000 explosive barrels in Garry's Mod is a requirement.
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And it's only called a Black Edition because of the unlocked multiplier. It doesn't matter if it OCs or not, Black Edition means unlocked Mult.
The Athlon XP BEs were cream of the crop and were supposed to overclock quite well, so I'm not so sure your statement is true unless AMD randomly decided to change what BE meant for the Phenoms.

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Give it a chance to come out before you call it ****. Geez, there's some Phenoms out now, why don't you go ****tify the ones already out first? You can't just say "O, the B1s and B2's sucked perf-wise because of the BIOS-based patch, therefore the B3's are gonna suck too" when the whole reason AMD even made another stepping is to fix the errata WITHOUT the performance drop you people *****ed about so loudly. They could have said "Go bork yourselves, you have any idea how hard this **** is to make?!", but instead they made a whole new revision just to shut you people up...

Again, it's not even out yet. Nobody outside of AMD knows what this thing can do. Wait till the damn thing's out before you call it ****, there's still plenty of B2's and B1's that you haven't danced on.
Don't get your panties in a bunch just because I have a validated opinion. You seriously need to relax instead of getting bent out of shape, and based upon what you said you didn't even read what I wrote. You were too busy seeing your precious Phenom being frowned upon, so you had defend it like a fanboy. Yes, you sound just like a fanboy with your post.

You can fool yourself all you want, but if the prices listed are accurate then it all but proves AMD still will not compete with the high-end segment. It would be awfully stupid of AMD not to charge as much as they could get away with, especially considering their financial situation. My opinion may very well change when they come out, but based upon what I've seen I have formulated a well-supported argument.
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You can fool yourself all you want, but if the prices listed are accurate then it all but proves AMD still will not compete with the high-end segment. It would be awfully stupid of AMD not to charge as much as they could get away with, especially considering their financial situation.

Where did I mention their price?
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Where did I mention their price?
OK, you clearly cannot read or you wouldn't have even asked that question since I never implicated that you said anything about the price. The price of the AMD processors supports my reasoning, meaning you were just spouting off like a fanboy.
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It's not all about clock speed. They proved that when a 3 GHz Athlon outpaced a 4 GHz P4. Hopefully, the whole "native quad core" actually proves to perform better, clock for clock, than Intel's technology. And it's only called a Black Edition because of the unlocked multiplier. It doesn't matter if it OCs or not, Black Edition means unlocked Mult.
Amd really hasn't changed their architecture significantly, so its pretty safe to assume that clock for clock it is not going to outperform a similarly clocked quad core 2. Also what is the point of buying a cpu with unlocked multipliers if you can't overclock it? Thats really the only reason to buy a cpu with unlocked multi's. Also according to the price cuts that are going to be done by intel, the Q6700 is going to be around the $270 mark. Stock the Q6700 is 2.66Ghz vs the Phenom 9850 @ 2.5ghz. The $300 price point seems pretty ridiculous given those numbers.
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