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The BEs that I have seen have OCed well, mainly because of the unlocked Mult. The Intel Extreme Chips are, IMHO, in the same category. Clock it the same as your highest chip, but unlock the multiplier, and it should, in theory, be able to be the fastest chip you make. If the architecture doesn't OC well, then it just doesn't OC well, and there's not much that AMD can do, unless the B3 stepping fixes that issue.
    
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On the contrary, you can use the original benchmarks or apply the performance decrease observed by many Phenom users after the BIOS fix was applied to the current benchmarks. No stepping will improve performance enough to push the Phenom into competition with high-end Intel CPUs.

I highly doubt it will make that much of a difference. They are starting from almost nothing in terms of overclockability so even a decent improvement will still yield mediocre overclocking at best, so I still stand behind my statement.
Sorry to get OT but your avatar is so accurate.
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WOW 300 bones? Even if these new steppings OC like a bat out of hell I don't think it's going to make up for the 200+ Mhz difference in performance.

Intel is getting ready to offer 3.2Ghz Quads (with 3.0Ghz 45nm Quads already out) so if AMD even wants to jump into the high-end game they will need at least a 3.4GHz Phenom and to offer anything worth buy over any Intel chip they will need at least 3.6Ghz to gain any performance lead (depending out how well they scale). Plus they will need to overclock to 4.2Ghz or more, Because as we have seen that is quit easy for a QX9650 to pull off.

Seening how long it's taking AMD to come out with a 3.0Ghz Quad I'm really staring to think that the video of that AMD tech women showing off a 3.0Ghz Quad was a lie or a fake all together.

I second that ENTERPRISE, It's kind of hard for me to say I'm proud to be an American when we have a president like Bush.
    
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I second that ENTERPRISE, It's kind of hard for me to say I'm proud to be an American when we have a president like Bush.
Shhh! I don't want to have to change my avatar!
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The Athlon XP BEs were cream of the crop and were supposed to overclock quite well, so I'm not so sure your statement is true unless AMD randomly decided to change what BE meant for the Phenoms.

Don't get your panties in a bunch just because I have a validated opinion. You seriously need to relax instead of getting bent out of shape, and based upon what you said you didn't even read what I wrote. You were too busy seeing your precious Phenom being frowned upon, so you had defend it like a fanboy. Yes, you sound just like a fanboy with your post.

You can fool yourself all you want, but if the prices listed are accurate then it all but proves AMD still will not compete with the high-end segment. It would be awfully stupid of AMD not to charge as much as they could get away with, especially considering their financial situation. My opinion may very well change when they come out, but based upon what I've seen I have formulated a well-supported argument.
The FX series are supposed to be the cream of the crop, high-end chips. The BEs are only multi-unlocked. That is why the first Bribanes that went BE weren't called FXs. They were just regular chips without a locked multi.
    
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hopefully this oc as good as the 5000 BE brisbane.
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The Athlon XP BEs were cream of the crop and were supposed to overclock quite well, so I'm not so sure your statement is true unless AMD randomly decided to change what BE meant for the Phenoms.

Don't get your panties in a bunch just because I have a validated opinion. You seriously need to relax instead of getting bent out of shape, and based upon what you said you didn't even read what I wrote. You were too busy seeing your precious Phenom being frowned upon, so you had defend it like a fanboy. Yes, you sound just like a fanboy with your post.

You can fool yourself all you want, but if the prices listed are accurate then it all but proves AMD still will not compete with the high-end segment. It would be awfully stupid of AMD not to charge as much as they could get away with, especially considering their financial situation. My opinion may very well change when they come out, but based upon what I've seen I have formulated a well-supported argument.
As much as you want to bash AMD right now on not having a "highend" chip, if you havent noticed AMD has shifted its focus on the mid-range/budget market. While you might scoff at that, AMD is really rocking the mid-range market and will turn the IGP world upside down when its 780a board comes out.

Phenom's single cores are indeed less powerful than a C2D one, that said Phenom scales and handles its cores more efficiently bringing it on par/ahead of C2D in one or two benchmarks i saw. For benchie whores the phenom is like a dead horse, but in real world performance there is hardly a difference no matter how you slice it there will be a minute difference if any at all between the two.

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Amd really hasn't changed their architecture significantly, so its pretty safe to assume that clock for clock it is not going to outperform a similarly clocked quad core 2. Also what is the point of buying a cpu with unlocked multipliers if you can't overclock it? Thats really the only reason to buy a cpu with unlocked multi's. Also according to the price cuts that are going to be done by intel, the Q6700 is going to be around the $270 mark. Stock the Q6700 is 2.66Ghz vs the Phenom 9850 @ 2.5ghz. The $300 price point seems pretty ridiculous given those numbers.
Well the B3 is almost a second launch of phenom so i assume the prices will go down once phenom gets in full swing.

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Sorry to get OT but your avatar is so accurate.
Sry enterprise, but with you not even living here and critizising our president i've lost all respect for you.

Bush may not be the best president we've had but hes a HELL of a lot better than Kerry or Gore.
    
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As much as you want to bash AMD right now on not having a "highend" chip, if you havent noticed AMD has shifted its focus on the mid-range/budget market. While you might scoff at that, AMD is really rocking the mid-range market and will turn the IGP world upside down when its 780a board comes out.

Phenom's single cores are indeed less powerful than a C2D one, that said Phenom scales and handles its cores more efficiently bringing it on par/ahead of C2D in one or two benchmarks i saw. For benchie whores the phenom is like a dead horse, but in real world performance there is hardly a difference no matter how you slice it there will be a minute difference if any at all between the two.



Well the B3 is almost a second launch of phenom so i assume the prices will go down once phenom gets in full swing.



Sry enterprise, but with you not even living here and critizising our president i've lost all respect for you.

Bush may not be the best president we've had but hes a HELL of a lot better than Kerry or Gore.
There is a difference between focusing on mid-range and not being able to put out anything that can compete past mid-range. AMD is the latter, no matter which way you slice it, as you put it.

If AMD's solution scales so well, then why can it not beat the old C2Ds consistently?

As for your whited out statement, anyone in their right mind knows how untrue that is. Saying he isn't the best president is like telling someone who has flesh-eating disease that "hey, things could be worse!" It's an insult and shows a lack of knowledge. You don't want to turn this into a political debate, especially if that's how you reason things.
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Cool it with the off hand political remarks. No one wants that thrash here.



Liberals suck!!!!


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has their been any benches of the B3s? i ask because it seems kinda illogical to be spouting one way or other unless you have proof in hand. i guess you can make assumptions based on what the b1s and b2s have done but those are just that ASSumptions.
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