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There is a difference between focusing on mid-range and not being able to put out anything that can compete past mid-range. AMD is the latter, no matter which way you slice it, as you put it.

If AMD's solution scales so well, then why can it not beat the old C2Ds consistently?

As for your whited out statement, anyone in their right mind knows how untrue that is. Saying he isn't the best president is like telling someone who has flesh-eating disease that "hey, things could be worse!" It's an insult and shows a lack of knowledge. You don't want to turn this into a political debate, especially if that's how you reason things.
Uhm where have you been? ATI nor AMD have put out products aimed at the high end market, save spider being the all in one package. They are aimed at the budget/midrange market and making a killing.

Well if you hadnt noticed the first phenoms were practically crippled with the errata but even then they beat the C2D in the crysis benchie which is multi-core intensive.

How is it untrue? Was either a tree-hugging hippie or a anti-war activist whose entire campaign was based off lies and overexagerations. Rather atleast have a Christian with a moral backbone than those poll-obsessed jackknobs.
    
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I cant belive AMD still cant release a 3.0ghz CPU. They all seem to be 2.3-2.6 ghz. A a unlocked multi is useless if it wont overclock well in the first place.
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How can people even defend AMD/ATI that they haven't tried to hit the high end market? If they haven't then i assume the 3870X2 is for the mid-range? You guys need to re-evaluate what you consider mid and high range

Even if their focus was mid-range, their top Phenom performs as well as the stock lower end C2Q, and the C2Q is lower priced than $300. Thats ofcourse before we even OC the C2Q!

In regards to the question about benchies. If my memory serves me right, AMD has stated that the 9X50 phenoms are EXACTLY the same architecture as the existing ones, with the errata fixed. So basicly you just won't EVER get the error. They also mentioned that the high end phenoms will come later on. So basicly they said we can't work any higher now.
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Uhm where have you been? ATI nor AMD have put out products aimed at the high end market, save spider being the all in one package. They are aimed at the budget/midrange market and making a killing.

Well if you hadnt noticed the first phenoms were practically crippled with the errata but even then they beat the C2D in the crysis benchie which is multi-core intensive.

How is it untrue? Was either a tree-hugging hippie or a anti-war activist whose entire campaign was based off lies and overexagerations. Rather atleast have a Christian with a moral backbone than those poll-obsessed jackknobs.
You are still not understanding the difference between focusing on the mid-range sector and not being to put anything out in the high-end sector.

As for the rest of your post, your dellusions only serve to screw me over and I go to jail for taking revenge, unfortunately.
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Well considering how wrong I was about the 9800 GX2 sucking balls.....



I will wait to see how this 'New revision' turns out. Maybe Pheonems will have some credibility to their name... instead of just being a nice OEM part that people can pick up
    
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They talk as if 3ghz hasn't been done on a Phenom. What i'm looking for in these things is overclocking to 3.8ghz. Like the 6400+ BE or something (which hits over 4ghz from the CPUZ validations thrown around in the 4.8ghz 5000+ BE thread.)
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post #37 of 51
Mmmm..I can't wait for the Phenom FX to come out.
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What's so black about this CPU? If anything, there's a lot of brown in it...



of course only the ones who have a sense of humor will get this joke- no it's not the silicon
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How can people even defend AMD/ATI that they haven't tried to hit the high end market? If they haven't then i assume the 3870X2 is for the mid-range? You guys need to re-evaluate what you consider mid and high range
After the release of the 3870, AMD relized that people don't buy the high-end junk because for the performance difference, its not worth it. AMD is making a killing of the 3870 because it performs amazing for the price, which is what the Phenom falls into, you can get a Quad for $180. And the X2 was the only high-end product of the 38xx series and it had the top till the 9800GX2, which is what happens in the tech world. The 4xxx series will prolly be better then the 9xxx series.

People forget too easily how the person on top changes and will always change. AMD seems to be doing just fine with what they are doing so why bash them for making money, especially if it will get quads to OEM manufacturers, not like they need it though.
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has their been any benches of the B3s? i ask because it seems kinda illogical to be spouting one way or other unless you have proof in hand. i guess you can make assumptions based on what the b1s and b2s have done but those are just that ASSumptions.
It's a change in stepping, not a whole new CPU.

The difference between the Intel 65nm and 45nm chips, if you do not count the change in process size, is far greater than the difference between a B2 and B3 Phenom.

The B3 removes the TLB bug and may slightly improve overclockability.

Phenoms will, im the vast majority of cases, still lag a good bit behind Intel in clock-for-clock performance, and will not be capable of the same kinds of clocks. The price is also not really better. Therefore, the chip is inferior, again, in the majority of situations.

Yes, these are assumptions. However, they are very safe assumptions...on the level with "sneezing will not reverse the rotation of the earth", "gravity will still exist when I wake up", "or that my tap water has not just been poisoned with potassium cyanide".

There has never, in the history of x86 processors, been a from one stepping to another as massive as the possibility you advocate. The closest thing was the Athlon XP T-bred A to B revision, which, as impressive as it was, would not be of the magnitude needed to make a phenom a better value than a core 2 quad, were such a feat duplicated now. Regardless, such a change is very unlikely (the t-bred a to be change required an extra metal layer in the chip and nothing so dramatic has been mentioned for the B2 to B3 change).
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