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When I posted a little survey concerning the news that Microsoft plans to discontinue most sales of Windows XP on June 30th, I expected lots of people to take it, and for the sentiment to be overwhelmingly pro-XP. They did, and it was. (More than 3500 people completed the survey, and 83 percent of them are unhappy with Microsoft's move.)

I was startled by how many people took the time to not only participate in the survey but share their thoughts at length--and by how diverse their opinions were. Some folks were raving fans of XP; others just grudgingly tolerated it. Some reported nightmares with Windows Vista; others said they were happy Vista campers. More than a few said that the prospect of an XP-less world was prompting them to consider dumping Microsoft operating systems altogether in favor of Linux or Mac OS X.

Over the next few pages, you'll find a sampling of the 1000+ comments the survey prompted. If they inspire you to share your own thoughts, we're still listening--just leave a comment on this article.
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I have to say it took me about a week to find out that I like Vista. But once I found out that it really was a better OS I was “P-ed”-off to learn that my laptop could not handle it.

I think the real problem with Vista is that some people that just don't know Jack about PCs are buying low-end slow OEM PCs that just can't run Vista. It’s the OEM companies like gateway, dell, acer, ECT that are giving Vista a bad name, By putting 1GB of RAM and Pentium 4s in systems and then marking them vista ready.

I don’t think I know anyone that has bought a high-end PC other than my self (Yes my rig was at one point high-end ish) and my father. Most buy cheap laptops with vista and expect it to run like a 1500$ system.

It’s not M$’s fault that so many people are computer ignorant and don’t have any idea as to what it is that they are buying.
    
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I had to reformat last night, so i'm trying vista. It seems to be ok. Until I encounter "the incompatibility issue," vista will be ok IMO. (I was really a vista hater at first)
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I overhear people shopping for PCs and laptops at a store like Best Buy sometimes and from my experience, it seems like most people really don't do much research. They're just looking to pay the lowest amount of money. If you're not going to build your own, chances are, you're going to pay a bit more.

Research for these folks are done right on the sales floor. All the information they want to hear is given to them by sales reps. They hear what they want to hear, buy a $400 "killer deal" laptop that's more like clearance bin ready and go home expecting to run all the newest games and Vista.

It can be a but overwhelming. There may be too much information that a consumer will have to absorb - but in the end, it's worth it - research is key before buying anything!
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Man... if I could only have a nickel for every WinXP versus Vista thread and articles posted.


I'd be richer than Bill Gates.
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Nah, I don't think this thread should be classified as an XP vs. Vista discussion (at least I hope it doesn't degrade into one). It's just interesting information albeit, it does show just how divisive the release of Vista has been to MS OS users.
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Yea, more of the usual.

90% of the people I have talked with that hate Vista hate it because "Well I heard from x and y that it is bad and slow and I have to kill my first born for it to work blah blah blah" it is now a cultural phenomena at my college to hate Vista. It is cool to hate it, conformist, old school etc.. to use it.

People are too stupid, or not educated enough to realize what UAC is for (Similar to Sudo in linux, though of course not quite the same). If you are not running as the administrator (uncommon in Windows) it will prompt you for a password, great for schools and business's. But most people run as the Admin. so they just get "Allow" or "deny". Plus it takes 2 minutes to disable it.

Also a lot of the tweaks that I didn't even realize existed until I read about them. Like how drivers run more at the application level, so if one fails it dies just like an application, and doesn't cause you to blue screen. I really don't know how to explain it, but Vista "feels" more complete. My XP would lock-up and I would have to manually kill the program, Vista very rarely requires me to manually kill the program.

From an IT standpoint, deploying it seems to be much easier that XP.

Also x64 is super awesome, here is an article on it I thought was pretty cool. Link how it eliminates 99% of remote attacks, or how it allows No eXecute (NX) controls in the CPU to stop Buffer overflow attacks.

Vista x64 the good and bad

Can't find the link, but it was on his site of a few things Vista changed, for example, its kernel was re-built from the ground up for security.
    
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.....I think the real problem with Vista is that some people that just don't know Jack about PCs are buying low-end slow OEM PCs that just can't run Vista. It’s the OEM companies like gateway, dell, acer, ECT that are giving Vista a bad name, By putting 1GB of RAM and Pentium 4s in systems and then marking them vista ready.....
Then surely that is false advertising??

We found a cheapo machine with fairly decent specs (P4 631 Cedar Mill @ 3.0Ghz, 512MB RAM etc) that came with Vista Home Basic. Only use it will get is web browsing and uber mild gaming. It chugged like a beast just trying to cope with Vista on it. I've added another 512MB ram (only 2 RAM slots) and it has helped but its still not great.

But if M$ say a P4 with 512MB RAM can run Vista, why shouldn't the OEM's sell machines of that spec with Vista?
    
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I had to reformat last night, so i'm trying vista. It seems to be ok. Until I encounter "the incompatibility issue," vista will be ok IMO. (I was really a vista hater at first)
Sorry for the double post.

Thats the one reason I've not moved across to Vista on this rig. My network card isn't supported and I can't find drivers for it to work in Vista.

If they were available then I'd consider moving across
    
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Then surely that is false advertising??

We found a cheapo machine with fairly decent specs (P4 631 Cedar Mill @ 3.0Ghz, 512MB RAM etc) that came with Vista Home Basic. Only use it will get is web browsing and uber mild gaming. It chugged like a beast just trying to cope with Vista on it. I've added another 512MB ram (only 2 RAM slots) and it has helped but its still not great.

But if M$ say a P4 with 512MB RAM can run Vista, why shouldn't the OEM's sell machines of that spec with Vista?
Well minimum spec is minimum spec. It will run, yes, although not very well. Its the OEM's responsibility to provide a machine that can run Vista better than "minimum". Why machines are shipping with less than 1GB of RAM these days, I have no idea.
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