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I have upgraded this system to Vista and have 2 laptops running vista and 2 other systems running XP. But, my problem now is that M$ has quietly leaked that the next OS (Vista replacement) is coming in 2009. That is just complete crap. How much will this one cost? I'm not going to fund their stockholders any longer. I'm done with them. I will find a way to convert the entire household to Linux or Macs.

M$ has screwed me out of its last license fee ever.
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I have upgraded this system to Vista and have 2 laptops running vista and 2 other systems running XP. But, my problem now is that M$ has quietly leaked that the next OS (Vista replacement) is coming in 2009. That is just complete crap. How much will this one cost? I'm not going to fund their stockholders any longer. I'm done with them. I will find a way to convert the entire household to Linux or Macs.

M$ has screwed me out of its last license fee ever.
It is coming in 2010, 2009 was a supposedly "leaked" e-mail that I highly doubt is real.

Plus do you really want to spend $100 for every service pack? Or go though the joys of incompatibilities of Linux?
    
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It is coming in 2010, 2009 was a supposedly "leaked" e-mail that I highly doubt is real.

Plus do you really want to spend $100 for every service pack? Or go though the joys of incompatibilities of Linux?
Well I guess by 19 you'd be much more equipped to decide what is real and what isn't, than I am.
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Then surely that is false advertising??

We found a cheapo machine with fairly decent specs (P4 631 Cedar Mill @ 3.0Ghz, 512MB RAM etc) that came with Vista Home Basic. Only use it will get is web browsing and uber mild gaming. It chugged like a beast just trying to cope with Vista on it. I've added another 512MB ram (only 2 RAM slots) and it has helped but its still not great.

But if M$ say a P4 with 512MB RAM can run Vista, why shouldn't the OEM's sell machines of that spec with Vista?
Oh that pc will RUN vista, it just won't run it well. Companies have always done this to machines to cut costs and maximize profit. I remember quite a few desktop machines coming with 128MB of ram and xp (usually emachines). They ran XP just not very well. You get what you pay for is still relevant today.
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Oh that pc will RUN vista, it just won't run it well. Companies have always done this to machines to cut costs and maximize profit. I remember quite a few desktop machines coming with 128MB of ram and xp (usually emachines). They ran XP just not very well. You get what you pay for is still relevant today.
Exactly, which is where that court case thats going on will fall over. The machine can run Vista, but no one said anything about running it well.
    
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I have upgraded this system to Vista and have 2 laptops running vista and 2 other systems running XP. But, my problem now is that M$ has quietly leaked that the next OS (Vista replacement) is coming in 2009. That is just complete crap. How much will this one cost? I'm not going to fund their stockholders any longer. I'm done with them. I will find a way to convert the entire household to Linux or Macs.

M$ has screwed me out of its last license fee ever.
Windows 7 is not a "full" OS. They called it an interim OS. I doubt there will be significant reason to upgrade from Vista to windows 7. However a Xp to 7 upgrade will probably make sense.

Read the 3rd quote - MS is starting a tick-tock schedule
http://www.overclock.net/software-ne...-7-vienna.html
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Then surely that is false advertising??

We found a cheapo machine with fairly decent specs (P4 631 Cedar Mill @ 3.0Ghz, 512MB RAM etc) that came with Vista Home Basic. Only use it will get is web browsing and uber mild gaming. It chugged like a beast just trying to cope with Vista on it. I've added another 512MB ram (only 2 RAM slots) and it has helped but its still not great.

But if M$ say a P4 with 512MB RAM can run Vista, why shouldn't the OEM's sell machines of that spec with Vista?

The minimum specs for vista are a 800Mhz CPU,512MB of RAM, and a 20GB HDD. Yes a system with thows specs will run vista but it would not run it the way it should.

The real minimum specs for Vista should be at least a dual core 1.8GHz Core 2 or 2.2GHz Athlon x2 or better, 2GB of RAM, And at least a 160GB HDD.

Brand new XP systems like my dads old dell which is a 2003 D- 8300 was shipped with a GB or RAM and a 120GB HDD.

5 years down the road systems should be shipping with a minimum of a Dual Core of some sort, 2GB of RAM, And at least a 200GB HDD.

My Father bought my bro a Compaq with a P4 631 with 1GB or Ram and a 160GB HDD (He still thought the Pentium 4 3.0GHz from 2003 was still king in 2007 LOL) and it ran Vista like crap. It even had a windows vista ready sticker on the front of the system.

I know some people that I baby-site for that just bought a new laptop (I now own there old one) and it has 1GB or RAM and a 2.0GHz Turion X2 dual core and it runs vista so slow. It ran vista slower than my Pentium M 1.3GHz 768MB of RAM having peace of junk laptop runs XP.LOL

Some of the systems that have windows vista installed are a joke.
    
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People have not caught up to the emerging technological paradigm. The masses think they can spend rock bottom price every 4-5 years for the most valuable piece electronics equipment in their house. Over time Microsoft, Apple, Intel, AMD etc. will erode this "old-school" thinking because technology is never going to slow down.

People that complain about Microsoft should just jump ship and go to Apple. The "everything is greener on the other side" metaphor will quickly come into effect. Even if you buy the most expensive version of Windows at $400 retail (who pays retail?) you are good for A LONG TIME! The updates for years to come are free. After a couple of years of $100 MacIntosh updates people come back to Microsoft...they have 92% OS market share. If M$ was that bad we would not use it.
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Well I guess by 19 you'd be much more equipped to decide what is real and what isn't, than I am.
I'm 19 so of course I am always right, I am invincible, and since I am a college student, I know I am right, and with a little protesting or a sit in I can do anything!

lol, I am actually quite the opposite, and am sorry if I offended you.

I just think 2 years of way to short a time for a proper system development, proper QA, and too short for MS to execute any innovative or important idea's they might hav3e been experimenting with. I would rather have a new OS every 4-5 years that is really honed down, nicely put together, is innovative, and well tested. So for me Vista fits the bill.
    
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Plus do you really want to spend $100 for every service pack? Or go though the joys of incompatibilities of Linux?
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The updates for years to come are free. After a couple of years of $100 MacIntosh updates people come back to Microsoft...they have 92% OS market share. If M$ was that bad we would not use it.
Please, define "new OS" for me. Why is xp --> vista a new OS but Tiger (10.4) --> Leopard (10.5) is not? As far as I'm concerned, 10.5.x --> 10.5.x+1 is a service pack. You don't get major goodies and changes in a service pack the way Mac users get them in 10.x --> 10.y. Would it satisfy you if they "just called it" OS XI instead of "10.5"?
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