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Ok is not better in crysis but it still is a better solution,that´s what i mean it´s a cheaper and great solution.You can play any game with great performance with two gt´s just paying from 200 to 250 each card except by crysis,while you have to pay 600 for a 9800gx2 just to play crysis with decent fps it´s still not worth it to me.
I agree you don't NEED a 9800GX2 for much right now, as you can go with a few different 8-series SLI configs for less. The people buying the 9800GX2 right now have some money burning a whole in their pocket, and are going to want this. It is fast as hell, and only takes up one slot. But for those not spending top-dollar right now, they can get a decent solution with something like a single 8800GTS 512, or maybe a 9800GTX. And others can wait until prices drop further, the 9800GX2 will still be great a year from now, will have better drivers, and will rock in quad-SLI!

Of course, all of what I just said doesn't even take into account ATi, who've been doing great lately, and for less money.
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Ultras dont get 13k stock. I didn't even get 13k stock with a Q6600 stock and the Ultra stock. So I'm not sure where you are pulling 13k from?
Uhh... Yes they do get 13 stock easily. In fact they get 14k stock.
    
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Uhh... Yes they do get 13 stock easily. In fact they get 14k stock.
This argument is moot, CPU scores factor into 3dMark06. Someone could get 14k with a 8600GT if they used a new 45nm quad-core.
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Thats a pretty sick card... Beats ATI's best...
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optimization.



why are those 3dmark scores so low!? on a stock e8400 and an x2 I got 14,533 in Vista.. somethings wrong there!
With my E6300 and 8800 GTS 512 I got 13k, so seeing these results (which seem way off from other results I've seen) makes me scratch my head. I still plan on doing the step-up, and I plan on sending the card off in a few days.

In video games, the GX2 performs very nicely. Slightly better than 2 8800 GTX in SLI. This seems to be about right for the new flagship. As usual, the new flagship should perform a bit better than 2 of the previous. Since I'm doing the step up, I will be paying only $212 for the GX2, and getting a single great card makes a lot more sense than dealing with issues related to SLI, including heat and inconsistent game performance. My motherboard doesn't do SLI anyway.

Now I just need to get a Q9550 when it comes out.
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This argument is moot, CPU scores factor into 3dMark06. Someone could get 14k with a 8600GT if they used a new 45nm quad-core.
LOL, I would certainly like to see some proof of that, I think I will return my 8800GT I just purchased and save some money!

On a sidenote, I do know what you're saying though, that the cpu score is compensating for the majority of the high score.
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Reading all this "bottlenecking" stuff is causing me some serious pain. It really is. A GPU performs the same no matter what CPU you use it with. The score difference is due to the faster CPU and nothing else.
Anyway, those are some nice scores, but I bet it is leaving many wanting.
This is on one hand, true. A video card is an independent processor from the CPU.

On the other hand, it is completely false. Especially with 3dmark or CPU-intensive games. On lower resolution games/benchmarks (like 3dmark at defaut settings, the CPU generally limits the maximum FPS that the game can produce. In doing so, it necessarily limits the ability of the video cards to perform to their full potential.

Thus, in the situation in the review, rasing your CPU speed and FSB not only raise your CPU score, but also creates a substantial jump in GPU scores.

These marginal gains tend to trail off with a C2D proc at around 3.2GHz - when the graphics engine isn't being limited by the CPU throughput.

So, while conceptually, there is no such thing as a bottleneck (becausae technically the GPUs are not being bottlenecked, it is still a useful term to describe what happens when programs/games/benchmarks are artificially limited by a slow CPU which in turn limits the max output of the GPUs.

I.e. if you were running a 9800GX2 on a 1.0Ghz Pentium-III machine, your scores would be TERRIBLE across the board. It wouldn't just be your CPU score that would be low -- your GPU scores would be attrocious as well.
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This is on one hand, true. A video card is an independent processor from the CPU.

On the other hand, it is completely false. Especially with 3dmark or CPU-intensive games. On lower resolution games/benchmarks (like 3dmark at defaut settings, the CPU generally limits the maximum FPS that the game can produce. In doing so, it necessarily limits the ability of the video cards to perform to their full potential.

Thus, in the situation in the review, rasing your CPU speed and FSB not only raise your CPU score, but also creates a substantial jump in GPU scores.

These marginal gains tend to trail off with a C2D proc at around 3.2GHz - when the graphics engine isn't being limited by the CPU throughput.

So, while conceptually, there is no such thing as a bottleneck (becausae technically the GPUs are not being bottlenecked, it is still a useful term to describe what happens when programs/games/benchmarks are artificially limited by a slow CPU which in turn limits the max output of the GPUs.

I.e. if you were running a 9800GX2 on a 1.0Ghz Pentium-III machine, your scores would be TERRIBLE across the board. It wouldn't just be your CPU score that would be low -- your GPU scores would be attrocious as well.
Rubbish (always wanted to say that ). On a heavily CPU driven game, performance will differ because the CPU speeds are different, period. If you run a 9800GX2 on a 1GHz PIII performance will be bad because on the CPU alone... games don't just run off of the GPU (even at insanely high resolutions). Synthetic benchmarks that are very CPU dependent (like 3DMark) will always show drastically different scores when CPU speeds are altered, but the individual GPU scores and subscores will remain very close (not exact because no two runs give you the same scores, regardless of the setup). If you really want to compare isolated GPU scores on a synthetic benchmark, you are better off running one of those opengl benchmarks instead of 3DMark.
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Uhh... Yes they do get 13 stock easily. In fact they get 14k stock.
You are crazy. They do not get 14k on stock cpu's and stock gpu clocks.. I had a q6600 and an 8800ultra and only managed in the mid 12's for stockness. Unless your ultra and cpu defy physics you are completely wrong.


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With my E6300 and 8800 GTS 512 I got 13k

Not on stock clocks you didn't. Unless you care to supply an orb for that, it'll believe you are totally full of bologna.
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LOL, I would certainly like to see some proof of that, I think I will return my 8800GT I just purchased and save some money!

On a sidenote, I do know what you're saying though, that the cpu score is compensating for the majority of the high score.
That would be a bad idea, as your performance in games would suffer. Just because an 8600GT could get 14k in 3dMark06 with a 5.0Ghz extreme 45nm quad-core doesn't mean that translates to a good frame rate in games.

EDIT: Sorry I didn't read the part that said you understood, before I posted this stuff below :OP

My point was the 3dMark06 is very very biased towards CPU speeds. This is for the same reason I have people with 3dMark06 scores 1000-2000 higher than mine getting lower fps in most games, it is simply because they have quad-cores instead of dual-cores, which most games do not take advantage of.
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