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Well, well - after several days of reviewing just about anything talking about power supplies, and anything that seemed to resemble a similar issue I am having, I've come to my own conclusion the _hec zyphr 650W Power Supply_ is the failure. I can run a friend's ATI X1950 on my box without issue [same PSU] running any game, but as SOON as I put the EVGA 8800 GTS 512MB in, it runs fine until I play ANY game again...

Then I read this = http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/

Specifically;
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We went through three power supplies before we found one that consistently worked with these high-end graphics cards and an FX-60. We initially started with a Silverstone 600W SLI certified power supply, but running some games resulted in the system powering down under full load. We next moved onto a higher rated Thermaltake PurePower SLI certified 680W unit. But while most games ran most of the time, the system would still occasionally shut down. Finally, we ended up using PC Power and Cooling's massive TurboCool 850 SSI. This just goes to show that if you really want to build something that pushes the bleeding edge, make sure you have the right power supply.
Unfortunately I cannot use my 8800 video card in any one else's box that I know, so as to MAKE sure it's not the video card... but I think the video card is fine, I am still going to replace it though, _just to be sure_ since I already have to ship my RAM, and power supply... i.e. I will be out of a computer anyways, might as well be SURE.

Overall though, I have learned ALOT about power supplies, and I figured that if ANYONE is in the market for the same thing, or is having a similar issue, I'd suggest visiting the following sites to make a decision about which power supply to buy;

http://www.jonnyguru.com/
http://www.silentpcreview.com/section10.html
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/review...h1c2lhc3QsLCw=
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/power
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...nucks-reviews/
http://www.techaddicts.net/reviews.html
http://www.legitreviews.com/articles/power_supply/
http://hardwarelogic.com/news/136/

I hope I didn't leave anyone out... Those sites have helped me understand power supplies on a whole new level =)

I posted up above I was thinking about getting the OCZ StrealXStream, but that was before I found out about buy.com !! buy.com has FREE SHIPPING on MANY good power supplies, and what's more amazing is they have this deal with google checkout, that first time you buy something from google checkout, you get $10.00 off!

Just posting this here, because others may find themselves in my shoes somewhere down the road... Here seems to be the BEST power supplies you can get for $75-$105 @ buy.com, and elsewhere ;


* Corsair HX620W Power Supply = modular PSU, 3x +12V rails @ 18A with combined rating of 50A, active PFC, 120mm fan, 105ºC rated industrial grade capacitors and Gold Plated connectors, efficiency between 82.9% to 88.0% at 115 V, 5year manufacturer warranty!


* BFG 800W Power Supply = 2x 80mm fans, active PFC, 4x +12V rails @ 20A, capacitors rated at 85º C, active PFC, efficiency measured between 77% and 85.3% @ 115 V, the "Limited Edition" version offers 4x PCI-e 6pin connectors, LIFETIME manufacturer warranty!


* Corsair TX750W Power Supply = 140 mm fan, all PCI-e cables use 6/8pin connectors, ONE single +12V rail @ 60A! efficiency is between 78.8% and 84.3% @ 115 V, 5year manufacturer warranty!


* PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 = 1x +12V rail @ 49A! active PFC, efficiency 83%, 5 year warranty, 2 PCI-e cables with one being a 6pin, the other 6/8-pin, tested capability to deliver 610 W of power under 45º C


* Mushkin XP-650AP 650W Power Supply = modular! model#550150 is the one to get, active PFC, 5year manufacturer warranty, 4x +12V rails @ 20A, "rail fusion" which is supposed to respond to increased system loads by automatically combining the +12v rails


* Antec NeoPower 650W <Blue> = modular! PCI-e connectors are 1x 6pin, 1x 6/8pin, 80mm fan, active PFC, 3x +12V rails @ 19A!


honorable mentions = Corsair TX650W, Seasonic S12 Energy+ 550/650, Seasonic M12-500/600/700, OCZ GameXStream 700W, 600W OCZ GameXStream and Thermaltake Toughpower 650W.

Sorry if this post is a little off-topic for the overall issue, but I found it helpful when others posted good/suggested power supplies, as it gave me a jumping off point, to where I was able to research reviews for the suggested power supplies, and make my own decision from there... The PSUs I listed above were almost all recommended from the sites listed above. Dont just believe me, check em out for yourself.

-Peace-
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excellent suggestions by all! big thank-you to newegg, I'm RMA'n memory [1 was DOA, but have to replace both @ same time], the video card and PSU. I am going with replacements for RAM and video card, but requesting refund on the PSU -- I am going to replace the hec Zypher 650W PSU for this instead = OCZ StealthXStream OCZ600SXS 600W Power Supply, reviews are mostly, on,the, good, side - it sounds like well-built PSU, I was very hesitant in the first place to buy the hec PSU, but we shall see if it was the source of the trouble...

I will post a follow up! If any one has a solution before I ship this back, I'd be happy to keep everything without sending in for replacement =)

peace
Its a great PSU im using it right now!

hope this fixes ur issues!
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I'm having the exact same problem with almost the same rig.

2.4ghz Intel Core 2 Quad
8800 GTS 512mb
Zephyr 750w PSU
2 X 2gb Corsair ddr2
P5N-D motherboard
160GB 10,000 rpm raptor drive
250GB 7000 rmp seagate drive

I'm pretty sure I have it narrowed down to the PSU or the Video Card. I can run movies, office products, internet, virtually anything that does not tax the video card all day long.

As soon as I start a game (NWN2 or Oblivion) within 2 minutes the PC will power all the way down. No BSOD, no warning, just zero power. This also happens with benchmark progarms like 3dmark05. Within the first video card test, about 1:05 seconds into, the computer shutsdown. This is what has lead me to beleive its a PSU or Video card issue.

I just learned the 4 X 12v rail PSU's might not be able to hold the load of High end Video cards. I thought when looking into PSU all you had to worry about was the Watts, now I findout that I might be over loading one of the rails on amps. Can anyone help me understand this, and If I've they beleive (based on the above statistics) that they think it is the PSU or Video card?

Guess I need to find a PSU to swap for the interim and see if it works.
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Problem solved! It was the power supply, plain and simple.

Back on February 20th, '08 I purchased a hec Zephyr 650W power supply from Newegg.com for $89.99 (along with the rest of my components for this build - noted @ my first post), also I find it relative to this post that Newegg's product specifications webpage shows this PSU is " NVIDIA SLI Certified". I got my money refunded (thank-you Newegg, I LOVE their service) after shipping back the "hec zephyr 650W" PSU, then turned around bought the PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad power supply as a replacment.

My reasoning for getting the PC Power & Cooling 750W Quad PSU was as easy as reading thru the glowing reviews + checking out all the awards this PSU has won, just some of them are listed right here (no I don't work for PC Power&Cooling! I just really like their product{s}, and I'm offering my advice to anyone that may find themselves in a similar situation as I!)

:: [H]ardOCP gives the PC P&C 750 their "Gold award" ::
:: AnandTech gave the PC P&C 750 their "2007 Power Supply of the Year award" ::
:: PC Perspective heartily recommends the PC P&C 750 in their Hardware High-end system AND the Dream System Leaderboards ::
:: JonnyGuru gave the PC P&C 750 his "jonnyGURU recommended award" ::
:: bit-tech gave the PC P&C 750 their "recommended award" ::
:: Toms Hardware Tiered PSU Listings lists the PC P&C 750 as "Tier 1", which means, it "can handle 4Ghz Conroe or 3Ghz AMD along with Oced Quad Crossfire/SLI With Ease ::
:: DriverHeaven gave the PC P&C 750 their "Best in class", "Heavenly Hardware Gold Award" ::
:: Recently (04/06/08), Hardware Canucks gave the PC P&C 750 their "Dam Good Award" ::

All pretty prestegious awards in their own right.. Now check this out! Right on PC Power & Cooling's myth's webpage, it seems to have the answer to my problem/question right there = myth #5;

5. AN SLI CERTIFIED POWER SUPPLY WILL ALWAYS POWER HIGH-END GRAPHICS CARDS?

We went through three power supplies before we found one that consistently worked with these high-end graphics cards and an FX-60. We initially started with a Silverstone 600W SLI certified power supply, but running some games resulted in the system powering down under full load. We next moved onto a higher rated Thermaltake PurePower SLI certified 680W unit. But while most games ran most of the time, the system would still occasionally shut down. Finally, we ended up using PC Power and Cooling's massive TurboCool 850 SSI. This just goes to show that if you really want to build something that pushes the bleeding edge, make sure you have the right power supply.

**((the bold/italic's/underline's was done by me to add emphasis))**

So my new PSU came yesterday (I paid $159.99, with free 3-5 day shipping) it now installed, and DAMN, I couldn't be HAPPIER!! My case/motherboard/CPU(s) temperatures at average, around 5-9 degrees fahrenheit cooler with the new PSU/otherwise same setup! I'm very pleased with it's performance, considering where I came from with this build!! Plus, it just WORKS, my system is rock solid stable playing ANY game, the problem is FIXED! I am now messing with overclocking the CPU...

I will never buy another "hec zephyr" power supply again... As far as the manufacturer is concerned, I should give them the benefit of the doubt here, and HOPE that my first power supply [hec zephyr 650W] was defective - but if it wasn't a defect, then their 650W just can't power my newly built system - it would work fine, UNTIL I played ANY game. All I DO KNOW is that the PC Power & Cooling 750W is a bad-ass PSU, and I am more then happy with it! Also, I want to mention, this thing is friggin' SILENT =) Granted, I am not using more then 400W total right now - so far it has NOT been even slightly audible. Power+performance, AND 5year warranty = PC P&C can add me to their already large fan base.

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Congrats and thanks for the update
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