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piracy is not right but neither is the mpaa/riaa so...
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Originally Posted by Frozen-Liquid View Post
You lose money with the ferrari because it took money to make that single car and every single car, but with software you make it once and download many times no need for manufacturing.
The manufacturing costs are a part of the development costs with both products, but with the software the process of creating the CD/DVD install media and sending out the product to market is usually overlooked.

If you could steal the same car except you'd have to walk down to the manufacturer's factory or to someone's home to pick it up, it wouldn't be stealing? You might need to check your moral compass if that's the case...

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I'm not trying to justify piracy or anything, but there IS a difference between a digital good and a physical item like a ferrari. The Ferrari has lots of money worth of materials and labor, the digital media has only the initial cost of development. Ferrari put money into that individual vehicle that is being taken, whatever development company put money into the software, not each copy of the program individually.

Doesn't make it right, does make it different.
Each [LEGAL] copy of the program has the cost of being burnt to an optical media and shipped out to be sold. Or the bandwidth and hosting cost in keeping it online to download as well as allowing the user to download it later in time.

The same can be said with books and movies. The only difference is that the internet has changed the way property exists and too many people of the current generation feel that because it's not a 'physical' product and it's just a copy it's alright to take.

You are right though, it doesn't make it right. It's also different, but then when you can download and 'print' things from your computer the difference will be minimal.
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There is no black or white approach with piracy let us all face it! Piracy is no good but things are not also as bad as Jack Valenti wants you to think!
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Originally Posted by Namrac View Post
I'm not trying to justify piracy or anything, but there IS a difference between a digital good and a physical item like a ferrari. The Ferrari has lots of money worth of materials and labor, the digital media has only the initial cost of development. Ferrari put money into that individual vehicle that is being taken, whatever development company put money into the software, not each copy of the program individually.

Doesn't make it right, does make it different.
although it is different, it is still very similar, much of the work that goes into ferrari's are the actual engineering, designing the engine, aerodynamics, etc. All of these investments dont have physical output but have a very large manifestation. With video games, developers spend countless hours designing a video game, and just because someone steals it "they arent losing money" they are just stealing the paid hours put in that the company won't get back.
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With video games piracy is wrong, but the article has a point in that when it comes to corporate software it doesn't really matter. How many people do you think actually dropped $700 on Photoshop? Moreover why does it even cost $700? The answer is that businesses require the licenses and will pay the money for many copies. I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here but Photoshop is notoriously easy to crack. I think the reason is is that without all of the <20 year old people honing their skills in it there would be a considerable shrinkage in the workforce. As a result of that the big companies would buy less licenses and Adobe loses big $$. Microsoft also knows this, which is why they have a fully featured free version of Visual Studio. The only features left out are those only used by large projects that the average student will never use.

I just hate it when people enforce the rules without actually thinking about what they are actually supporting.
    
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Originally Posted by Frozen-Liquid View Post
You lose money with the ferrari because it took money to make that single car and every single car, but with software you make it once and download many times no need for manufacturing.
there is quite a bit of cost with software. the question though is how is it being manufactured. by a mechanic or a programer?

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With video games piracy is wrong, but the article has a point in that when it comes to corporate software it doesn't really matter. How many people do you think actually dropped $700 on Photoshop? Moreover why does it even cost $700? The answer is that businesses require the licenses and will pay the money for many copies. I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds here but Photoshop is notoriously easy to crack. I think the reason is is that without all of the <20 year old people honing their skills in it there would be a considerable shrinkage in the workforce. As a result of that the big companies would buy less licenses and Adobe loses big $$. Microsoft also knows this, which is why they have a fully featured free version of Visual Studio. The only features left out are those only used by large projects that the average student will never use.

I just hate it when people enforce the rules without actually thinking about what they are actually supporting.
as was pointed out ealier though if you didn't want or couldn't afford the 700 payment but still wanted/needed some sort of photoediting software might you instead buy the lower end version of it instead though?
now why would you do so if you could get the 700 buck version for free. good point in that would be the vista products. quite a few can't afford the 300 version of ultimate but instead can afford to get the premium or home version instead. so what happens they go online download and crack the ultimate version and at that point no profit is made
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Absolute drivel. The seller is always harmed when someone steals their goods. If I want a Ferarri but can't afford one, I don't get to steal it and claim the seller wasn't harmed because I would never have actually bought one. Trying to argue that it's a digital asset and not a physical asset is just an attempt to justify the theft.

But for the sake of argument, let's engage in her little economic model. When someone pirates, their entire incentive to purhase the software is gone. Maybe they would have saved up for that expensive copy of Photoshop if buying it was their only option. But if they easily pirate it instead, that potential sale is lost, and the company is definitely harmed. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?
If you would never have bought one, but stole it anyway, and the physical stock of their item did not decrease, how exactly are they losing money? I'm slightly confused on this matter.
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If you would never have bought one, but stole it anyway, and the physical stock of their item did not decrease, how exactly are they losing money? I'm slightly confused on this matter.
The confusing part is the link that he was trying to make between a real object, and software.

As hard as you try, they are two entirely different things...no two ways about it.
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there is quite a bit of cost with software. the question though is how is it being manufactured. by a mechanic or a programer?



as was pointed out ealier though if you didn't want or couldn't afford the 700 payment but still wanted/needed some sort of photoediting software might you instead buy the lower end version of it instead though?
now why would you do so if you could get the 700 buck version for free. good point in that would be the vista products. quite a few can't afford the 300 version of ultimate but instead can afford to get the premium or home version instead. so what happens they go online download and crack the ultimate version and at that point no profit is made

My grandpa owns his copy of Photoshop Elements, and I've used it. I'm an experienced Photoshop user and there is so little functionality in it that its only good for simple photo editing. If you want to go into graphic design you need the full version, since Elements isn't going to help you any more than using the GIMP
    
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nathris you get the point though I'm sure

myself eh I have used neither but photoediting isn't my thing.
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