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A person that works with 3D doesn't need that much space, or speed like that.
Newegg is being slow, so I'm taking a long time to build you something.
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Xeon E5410 + TYAN S5375AG2NR Dual LGA 771 Intel 5100 SSI CEB Server Motherboard - Retail Combo
$615.98 (-$30 Instant & -$20 Combo)

(motherboard specifications)

(another) Xeon E5410
$278.99

(8GB total) 2 kits of WINTEC 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 FB-DIMM DDR2 667
$327.98

PC P&C 610W <-- not sure if it will fit a server case/if it's enough power because of the FB-DIMMs, need to look into this
$199.99 (-$90 Instant)

LIAN LI PC-V2000Aplus II Silver Aluminum Server Computer Case - Retail <- it's big enough (E-ATX) to accept the motherboard, but the motherboard's form factor is SSI CEB and frankly I have no idea what that is.
$299.99 (-$50 Instant)


Total $1,532.93 - this leaves you $470 to spend on hard drives.


2 quads may be overkill (only you can tell!) if you don't work with video (that is, you don't render for movies and stuff like that). Up to you.
It might be overkill even if you DO work with video, since your Quadro can only render so fast. Again, only you know the answer.
If you tell me which lossless codec you use, I can give you an idea of how fast you'll be able to encode with 8 cores.

I didn't include a DVD or BR writer since I assumed that if you need them, your current WS already has them.
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I believe COMA may be a bit better in his choosing. I know one quad might be good, but H.264 encoding, at least for me, takes every ounce of CPU power I have, hence why I'm thinking of pushing this to 3.8 or maybe buying a q6600, for I really do crave speed whilst encoding.

The programs you're using are much more advanced than anything I'll ever use at home, but at school the workstation My video production teacher uses to make our HD announcements has two quads. Whether that is out of his own pocket, I don't know, but they are unholy. He also has this hobby of messing with 3ds max while he's supposed to be teaching as well...

I actually helped him lap one of them btw

Personally, I'd haggle for more cash to buy a new Quadro. Forgot the model #, but the one based on the 8800 gt would be very nice...
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Coma, your suggestions seem good, but remember that system will not be too futureproof, as much of the xeon range is now 1600mhz fsb, which that rathe budget motherboard does not support anything above 1333mhz fsb.

Also, the power supply calculator I used reckoned that those specs required 609w, which is just 1w off the max that PCP&C psu can provide. I would then recommend a more powerful power supply.
That motherboard also needs not only 24pin and 4pin, but also an 8pin plug.
This restrics it to high end psus, mostly above 700w.
You have also neglected to include a copy of XP, and whilst your idea that he has a dvd/bd drive, he might want a new one for a new computer, so he can use his old PC.

As such, adding 135 for XP, and 100 for a better PSU, and also an optional $180 for a faster and more upgradable motherboard, leaves him with $130 for an hd array.
plus, avid is not 3d, afaik, its video, in which hdd speed and space for uncompressed video is key.
$130 will not buy him a single 750gb hdd. Therefore, this does not hit a good balance. Sure, it has the processing power, but not enough to power it and give data.
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Just because your teacher uses an 8 core machine doesn't mean its better.

Looking at Cinebench results, a single qx9650 overclocked is nearly (~1000 points) as good as 2x 3.2ghz quad core xeons.

Especially, why would you lap a Xeon? you can't overclock them.

H.264 encoding always takes all the power your cpu has its because it runs as fast as it can, until its done. When you buy a quad core, don't expect the loading to go down at all, you'll just get an improvement.
    
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Hi. Nobody uses uncompressed video. It's stupid and uses insane amount of space. There are reasonably fast, very good compression lossless codecs available like Lagarith.

With that out of the way, don't count on the calculator too much. Also note that I doubted whether this PSU will be enough, but nevertheless, I don't think the price will rise by $100.

750GB is not necessary - it's overkill. Like I said before, using uncompressed video is stupid when you can use a lossless codec.

If he does end up needing more space, he can just ask for it, as hard drives are pretty cheap and they're only getting cheaper. They probably won't go crazy on him - it's not like asking for a new Quadro.

A single hard drive is more than capable of dealing with lossless encoding without bottlenecking the encode.
Even old and slow hard drives can write at least 30MB/s, and 1280x720 Lagarith is between 6-8MB/s.

As for motherboard upgradebility, it would be utterly pointless, seeing as how in a few months Nehalem will be released, which is incompatible with current sockets.

Note that OP also said he will probably not be able to upgrade in a few months (company wouldn't agree to fund it), so maximizing the power he can get right now is best.

As for XP, I don't think you should include it. Some people want to use other OSes, and companies can usually get it at a discount.
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XP: Untrue. Most companies can only get it at the OEM prices. Which is what that version is. Also 'some people want to use other OSs' thats utter rubbish. How will he run composer if he doesn't have XP. OS X will not legally run on a non apple machine, so he needs xp (n.b. vista also doesn't work) So if you don't think I should include it, where will he get the money from?
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HDD usage.
If he has 20hrs of Lagarith on his computer, by your calculations, that takes 500GB. Give him some space for programs and other stuff, perhaps non-work related, lossless music... and you can easily hit 750GB. As work mounts up, he'll probably compress it into H.264 or cinema.
Put on 20 hd movies (at just 720p), and then he has another 400gb gone. A storage medium protected against disk faliure is also extremely useful, if he lost all his data, he would be metaphorically screwed.

Therefore, your idea that he has no need for much storage is rubbish. I don't do much work on this computer, yet I can still use up my whole raid array in about a year, at which point I upgrade the whole lot.

He wants the better motherboard because a better motherboard can be upgraded before Nehalem, and I doubt his company will want to upgrade right when nehalem comes out, as all his hardware would be effectively obsolete, necessitating a full new pc, something his company will not want to do. A faster motherboard makes a faster system. Your system may offer processing power, but mine is an actual system, with support for HD formats, and well rounded storage, including matched ram in quad channel, and protection against disk faliure, on top of a highly powerful quad core processor. The memory is also faster than the fb-dimms, which have high latency also.
    
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