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post #11 of 19
BT what?!
lol

seriously tho...it`s just too...complicated and ...weird.
most people just want a simple case that works like any other.
and since BTX is totally different...it fails big time
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post #12 of 19
I liked the idea of BTX. Get cool air over the CPU. Also, bolting your CPU cooler straight to the case was a smart idea. But since it wasn't backwards compatible, it never caught on. That, and the fact they didn't flood the market with parts. I was interested in building a BTX comp about two years ago, but there were no parts for it.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by dhrandy View Post
The only reason BTX was considered was because processors at the time were running hotter and hotter. That's no longer an issue. That's the real reason BTX is no longer needed. There's no reason to try to solve a problem that isn't there anymore.
It is absolutely essential we move to a different layout.

How far is it from the Southbridge to the rear USB ports? Imagine getting all that data to the Southbridge with all the different I/O and such on the board.

ATX was designed when CPU's didn't need fans, and only just barely needed heatsinks, thus the airflow was appauling. BTX allows for better cooling of the RAM, CPU, Grahpics cards, but doesn;t support enough expansion slots.

I think its time for a re-design of the ATX spec, for better cooling, SB (or similar controller) closer to the I/O.

Just take a look at new Dell workstations. BTX design, can cool a Pentium D, 4 sticks of RAM and an X1900 (or 8800GTX) with 1 x 120mm intake fan, 1 92 mm intake fan, and no exhaust. All this thanks to proper orientation of the RAM slots, CPU and graphics. RAM along the top, CPU in the middle, and graphics on the bottom, none of them is obstructing the cooling of the other.
    
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post #14 of 19
BTX in THEORY was great. but so was netburst () and look how both ended
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post #15 of 19
Everyone complains about not wanting to use old technology xD But what cracks me up is the ATX Form factor has been around for some 14 years, and it's still widely accepted. That's like giving a hardcore gamer a Voodoo2 graphics card and him saying its just as good as a 9800GX2.

BTX was doomed from the start btw.
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post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by trueg50 View Post
Just take a look at new Dell workstations. BTX design, can cool a Pentium D, 4 sticks of RAM and an X1900 (or 8800GTX) with 1 x 120mm intake fan, 1 92 mm intake fan, and no exhaust. All this thanks to proper orientation of the RAM slots, CPU and graphics. RAM along the top, CPU in the middle, and graphics on the bottom, none of them is obstructing the cooling of the other.
those very systems you mention also have the highest hardware failure rate in the industry.

my e6400@3.6Ghz w/ 1.46V runs cooler than my step fathers e6400@2.13Ghz w/ 1.25V(aka stock)

assuming capacitance remains constant, that's a 130% increase in heat dissipation via overclocking and it runs cooler than a stock Dell..





EDIT
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they're using an inverted ATX case for their BTX display. FYI that's basically the same CASE layout i"M using.
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post #17 of 19
My first comp was an e521, and I thought it made sense that the pci cards would be right side up, with the fan facing the top, but that was only when I had the x1650, which didnt exhaust out the back.
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My first comp was an e521, and I thought it made sense that the pci cards would be right side up, with the fan facing the top, but that was only when I had the x1650, which didnt exhaust out the back.
inverted ATX fixes that...
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That is the design I am talking about.

I have seen tons of Dell, HP, Gateway designs, and this one is definitely the best I have seen. Of course you can always build better, but for my grandmother, this would be the one. Yes, they do seem to have a mediocre failure rate, but I think that is more an issue of Dell using a 300 watt PSU with an E6700 and 8800GTX, coupled with a poor quality board.

Note the orientation of the expansion slots, and the orientation of the RAM slots. That is the general designs that should be adopted in a new board layout.
    
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