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post #11 of 30
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Get the Thermalright Ultra 120 EXTREME <---
Changed the build - thanks for the suggestion - honestly I had read a review about the extreme and saw how it was better and decided (in my head of course) that I was going to get it, just forgot to put that one down

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Solid rig, but I'd double the hard-drive size to 500g for an extra $20. (WD 500 Caviar). Games require more and more space.
I'd also look into the new 9800GTX due out in a few days ($350.-$375.).
Modular psu sure does make wire management easier and cleaner. Don't forget a couple spare 120 case fans.
Agreed on the hard-drive size/build changed. Thanks for the suggestion! From what I have seen/remember, the 9800 GTX isnt really all that more powerful than the 8800 GTS so I dont think its worth the +140-150 dollars (ill look into the benches).

On the subject of sound cards - Is the sound quality really that much different from onboard sound with a dedicated sound card? I currently have 4.1 speakers and may upgrade if I get a sound card, but if I just kept the 4.1 speakers would a sound card be worth it? Would I notice the difference if I just used headphones?

Also I currently have a Philips Sound Card (5-6 years old, Ill find out brand and get back), should I keep or upgrade to a new sound card (if I decide to go that route).

EDIT: Oops, forgot the PSU - The corsair has one 12v rail, and Im wondering what your guys' opinions are on the whole multiple rail vs single rail debate. I have heard that single rails are better, and also that multiple rails are better.
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post #12 of 30
The Q9450 multiplier is 8x. Ram homework req'd. for high oc's.
May be better off with the Q6600 and pay the additional electricity costs.
If your going to higher resolutions (1900x1200 on up), the GTX would ultimately be a bargain, especially on a larger monitor.
It is hard to fault the 8800GT's for sure.

Edit: A soundcard does improve sound. You wouldn't notice if you never tried, but I'd advise you to try it. Why skimp here when you can play music from the computer vs. living room stereo? Cans also sound better with an aftermarket sound card.
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post #13 of 30
http://www.crazypc.com/products/ultr...eme-50983.html

TRUE for cheaper, lapping option too, which i used, and was fantastic!

I would stick with integrated sound to save $100... wait till u got the ca$h to dump to get one, onboard is usually good

PSU wise: Single rail is better

If you are getting a 24" monitor, get a GTX - otherwise (1650x1050) smaller montiors will be better off with GTS G92

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...allistix%2b4gb I have this RAM and its stupid fast... Im talkin over 10GBPS when overclocked so its a great working ram for sure... bit more $ tho

Questions -
Is replacing the stock VGA cooler worth it? - Not really.....
Is there anywhere I can get these products for cheaper? Check my post
Any suggestions on improving my build? - read up my friend


I suggest Dual or Three 250GB HDD's if you want that much sapce...then u can do them in RAID 0 for crazy speeds.... will again, cost more, but alot faster! I have 4x 250GB HDDS in Quad Raid 0

Skip the A900 case.... Get a CM690, hell of a lot cheaper and IMO just as good
    
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post #14 of 30
i separate sound card would be a good option coz on board sucks. i used on board before and when i switched i really noticed the difference. The x-fi fatality is a good choice.

hard drive a found this for yah. a couple of $$$ more but you get 250gb extra.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10007193

When i comes to PSU's i recommend PC Power and cooling. It simply one of the best out there. the 750watts silencer is pretty solid and very very low operating noise. had mine for some time now and it never gave me any problems. The turbo-cool versions are solid too but a bit loud. Coz i had a 1KW multi rail before and i sold it coz of the noise.

single rail @ 60 amps

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703009

Red one (cross fire edition)

With the case the CM 690 is a cheap choice(w/ rebates)
looks good modded check out thc CM690 club if you wanna see the case in action.
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post #15 of 30
my opinion..

mobo - cant say.. no experience..

cpu - 6600 is very powerful and very overclockable, but a Q9xxx will chew up a Q6xxx and take out the trash.. but its more $$$$

ram - unless ur going to do major overclocking u dont really need 1066.. and on top that.. (btw 4gigs is the sweet spot for gaming.. only video editors need 8).. also when u put in 8gigs, the memory controller is going to need latency loosend to keep up.. so.. really unless u NEED 8 gigs.. 4 is better right now..

video - cant really go wrong with anything today.... crysis is a hog and will kill any video card... and really anything decent can play anything anyway.. so its overrated.. unless u a benchy.

sound - unless u are an audiophile.. stick with on board.. there is nothing wrong with it..

case - it doesnt really matter.. good airflow... good temps for overclocking..

hdd - will work fine.. i like my raptor.. really noticable decrease in loading times

cooling - cant comment.. never used..

psu - 750 is overkill for only one video card... u can get away with 550 as long as it has a rail with 20 amps to feed the video card.. if your into system efficiency then go with something that has active PFT... that one might.. i really didnt look.. i only use antec
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post #16 of 30
pretty much what is said above go for the q6600 you wont be disappointed look into extra cooling fans for your case and your pretty much set for anything and the prices your getting are very good i so need to look into shipping from the us to the uk even with shipping cost i would still save ££'s lol

good luck on your build hope to see it in action :-D
post #17 of 30
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How about that f-xi fatality card? That could be good. I would think that extra VGA cooling would be good for overclocking the card too. Are you thinking SLI upgrade in the future.

Looks good though! Should be a blast...
I have to Strongly dissagree. X-FI is a great card dont get me wrong. However DO NOT go for the Fatility version...its next to pointless and does not offer you any advantages at the end of the day. Its another Fatality gimmick branded product if you ask me.

As for a GPU aftermarket cooler....Well if you are looking to REALLY overclock that beast then yes perhaps that is the best way to go. However do not get one yet. Wait until you have the card and OC it and see how the temps look like with the stock cooler. Remember that not all stock coolers are bad.
post #18 of 30
Great rig, but I would definitely consider choosing some better RAM. Here are some some suggestions.... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148076

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145034 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098
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post #19 of 30
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Dam I got logged out and I had typed up a big long response
/cries.

Here we go again-

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

1. I am not sure why everyone is hating on the Patriot Ram. Based on my personal guesstimate it is the exact same ram as the Tracers/etc. you guys are listing. Refer to this thread : http://www.overclock.net/intel-memor...-ic-chips.html.

Furthermore, because this is a guesstimate I am leaning toward Corsair Dominator PC-8500 or OCZ Reaper HPC PC-8500. Because they are basically the same ram I am wondering which cools better.
Also, will I see a performance boost with 8 GB of memory versus 4 GB or should I just wait and add it later on down the road?

2. Thanks for the suggestion on the PSU. I have heard great things about Corsair PSUs so I am hesitant to switch it. The only difference is that the Corsair has a 20+4 pin connector and the PC has a 24 pin connector. They both have PFC. I am not sure of the Hold-Up Time for the Corsair so that information would ultimately sway my opinion. Otherwise, keep the suggestions coming!

3. I am running two Samsung SynMasters (19 inchers). I dont plan on upgrading and I will be using only one for gaming (the other will be unplugged).

4. For the sound card I will be using the integrated audio and then my Philips sound card to see if I can tell the difference. I will also be testing with a Turtle Beach "Santa Cruz" (something like that I forget what it is exactly called). In the end though, I will most likely NOT be purchasing a new sound card. Thanks for the suggestions though (I didn't realize I had 2 sound cards available (even the one in my own system )).

5. HDD has been changed to the 750 Gb version for 7$ more

6. As for the case, I am currently keeping the Antec 900 up there, but I am 50-50 between the Antec 900 and the NZXT Tempest. The CM690 is also creeping up in my choice list . All very similar and good cases Im afraid. Ill keep everyone posted

TL;DR
1. Will I notice a performance difference (in gaming) with 8GB of ram versus 4GB of ram?
2. Out of these two rams which has a better cooling option, OCZ Reaper HPC PC-8500 or Corsair Dominator PC-8500?
3. What is the Hold-Time of the Corsair PSU?
4. Can anyone find me better prices for the listed items (because I sure cant)

Thanks for the suggestions guys, keep them coming!
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1. Will I notice a performance difference (in gaming) with 8GB of ram versus 4GB of ram?
2. Out of these two rams which has a better cooling option, OCZ Reaper HPC PC-8500 or Corsair Dominator PC-8500?
3. What is the Hold-Time of the Corsair PSU?
4. Can anyone find me better prices for the listed items (because I sure cant)

Thanks for the suggestions guys, keep them coming!
1.) No, you will not. Go for 4 GB. As was mentioned above, you will not be able to OC your memory as much with 8 GB due to the extra work the memory controller has to do.

2.) They are pretty similar, TBH. I run OCZ almost exclusively these days, due to good experiences. Seriously consider going with 6400 instead of 8500, it will save you money for little performance loss. Then OC the 6400 as much as you can.

3.) No idea, though it shouldn't matter that much (unless your electricity supply is really dodgy!)

4.) UK based, so no...

Hope this helps! Oh, and I'd go for the Q6600 any day of the week. Plus, is there a particular reason you want to go with a P35 over a X38 board?
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