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First let me say this is a no OS bashing thread, and no "get Vista x64" stuff please, ok now with the problem.

I use XP x64 and x86 in dual boot, whenever I run a CPU stress testing program that being Orthos or Prime95 v25.6 (x64 version) I will get a BSOD upon error. The program doesn't get a chance to stop and show it detected an error, instead of doing that windows will just BSOD, indicating CPU is not stable. This happens in blend, small FFT or even large FFT if the CPU is unstable enough. The BSOD only happens in XP x64 and not in x86, in x86 Orthos or Prime95 will simply stop when an error occurs and the system is still useable. When in x64 XP it will always BSOD with the same screen, "Machine Check Exception" and there will be a purple square in the lower right of the screen, always perfectly the same.

As I said this only happens in x64 XP the cause of BSOD is not the temps as my E4500 is naked, in x64 I can get 3.5Ghz stable at 1.472v load and 1.488v idle, in x86 XP I can get 3.5Ghz stable with 1.42 ~ 1.44v (haven't cracked down on the actuall volts yet but it got far in the test). I have done many tests back to back, dual booting each version of XP so its not my CPU or any other component thats wearing out. If I try to game in x64 with a vcore setting thats perfectly stable for 14 hours in x86 it will BSOD within minutes.

Is this a known "problem" under XP x64, does everyone on a x64 OS need so much more volts for the same speed? And do other XP (or Vista) x64 users here get the Orthos/Prime95 hault stop or just a BSOD?

My Pentium 4 630 in my other rig is at 3.6Ghz stable with 1.41v and good temps under XP x86, under XP x64 it won't even boot at these volts. I had to increase the vcore to ~1.55v to get it semi stable in x64, so something is wrong here..

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PS: See my sig I have 4GB RAM, I will stay on x64.
     
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im guessing because the memory controller is being used more in x64 then x86. i wonder what my OC potential would be in x86, but i am also running 4gb of mem so im sticking to x64 as well.

if only i could get Vista to work
    
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Memory controller for Intel systems is the north bridge, already tried volting it and giving it very loose timings with the strap setting with no difference across the board.
     
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Any last ideas before I go back to XP x86 tomorrow?
     
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No ideas, but when i ran Orthos on Vista x64 it just locked up if my CPU was unstable, and Bluescreened if my memory was bad/unstable. Rarely did the program just stop with an error, if ever. As long as your temps are fine, a few more tenths of a volt isn't going to hurt anything.
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No ideas, but when i ran Orthos on Vista x64 it just locked up if my CPU was unstable, and Bluescreened if my memory was bad/unstable. Rarely did the program just stop with an error, if ever. As long as your temps are fine, a few more tenths of a volt isn't going to hurt anything.
Interesting... any other Vista x64 users get this? On XP/Vista x86 the program will stop when error is found and overclocks with much less vcore than XP x64..
     
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It could be something with services and/or your load. I say this because I use to run Orthos on my X64(which sometimes shows up as Server 2003 x64---have no clue why) and then would run TAT to monitor my temps.

Then I decided I was going to make a dedicated gaming load that was tweaked and dual boot with Vista x64. So xp64 tweaked with nothing but games and no other unnecessary crap, and Vista for surfing, burning, downloading, etc.

Well after I reinstalled xp64 and used black vipers(I think that is right) tweak guide, now when I run TAT, my machine blue screens. I didn't try TAT before the tweaks, but I know it use to run when I was using xp64 as my main with everything loaded.

So maybe some service or something else is screwed up in your x64 load, that doesn't apply to your x86 load.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SG_Stryker View Post
It could be something with services and/or your load. I say this because I use to run Orthos on my X64(which sometimes shows up as Server 2003 x64---have no clue why) and then would run TAT to monitor my temps.
XP x64 is based off of Server 2003 x64's architecture rather then recreating an entirely new operating system.
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Orthos always stops with errors on x64 Xp for me.
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Iam still digging around for info and came accross nothing except for this thing called "Machine Check Architecture" (MCA) which is tied to "Machine Check Exception" (MCE) on a Microsoft forum, apperently MCA is a new feature in the server 2003/XP x64 kernal that checks for errors in the system.. I am guessing when a stress program encounters an error this MCA is picking up that error a matter of nanoseconds before the program is and forcing a BSOD to the OS? Because as I said it will always BSOD with the Machine Check Exception error with a purple square at the lower right of the screen, on my Pentium 4 630 it will always BSOD with the IRQL Not Less or Equal error with the same purple square at the lower right of the screen.

The Pentium gets the same problem but on a worse scale, needing over 0.1v more vcore for the same OC in x86 while the E4500 wants 0.05 ~ 0.08v more for the same OC (to stop the BSODing). Running TAT will tripple my chances of BSOD..

I am yet again going to reinstall XP x64 tonight and dig around especially in regedit looking for anything to do with MCE and/or MCA and if its disableable.. because if Crazy9000 don't get BSOD and SG_Stryker has an extremely interesting post, while both my systems will BSOD one worse than the other.. something on my end, on the OS level needs a change. Argh....
     
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