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That's like saying linux and osx can't play games because of no windows roots
That's a stretch.

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It's already been proven that OSX contains more exploits than Vista and XP combined.
I find it rather entertaining that everyone is putting their blinders on just because they hate one OS.

It has been shown that whore-hay ou's so-called "test" is bs. Why people keep believing in it is rather obvious AND disappointing.

That test was a lie. He took "new" exploits in like a 1-month period. XP has already been hacked to death, and vista is brand spanking new. OS X is 7 years old, and it has only RECENTLY been gaining popularity. What might not have been uncovered in those past years are going to surface now - how can you call "new exploits" in a time period of 1 month (just recently) a fair test?

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The thing that makes Linux based OSes so secure is that it's nearly impossible (AFAIK) to remotely execute code with root privileges.
If you knew anything about OSX, you'd know that it runs similarly. You can't touch system files or make system changes without first gaining root privileges (which can be your own account - similar to Ubuntu's setup).

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It would be funny if they found a ton of exploits in linux, I wouldn't be surprised as the only reason that I think linux is so "secure" is that only about what 1% of people use, what's the point of hacking that, right?
This isn't a time for discovery, though; this is a time for execution. They aren't researching here. They're taking what they supposedly researched at home or away from the competition. Basically, no one is going to "suddenly" find anything at the competition.

And I don't understand the "it's secure because no one uses it" thing. All it is is an excuse, a denial of fact.
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Interesting. No doubt this was found beforehand, not reported, and then used. Still.

Remember, these results don't equal security. What matters is the time with exposed flaws, not the number of flaws.

(I'm not saying this in defense of the Mac, it's just a fact).
did you even read the link? he made the code himself, so nobody knew about it beforehand. the whole point of the competition was to make the hack yourself, and he did it fastest on a macbook.
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I never said he didn't do it - I just meant he didn't discover it then. Don't misinterpret what I am saying.
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That's a stretch.



I find it rather entertaining that everyone is putting their blinders on just because they hate one OS.

It has been shown that whore-hay ou's so-called "test" is bs. Why people keep believing in it is rather obvious AND disappointing.

That test was a lie. He took "new" exploits in like a 1-month period. XP has already been hacked to death, and vista is brand spanking new. OS X is 7 years old, and it has only RECENTLY been gaining popularity. What might not have been uncovered in those past years are going to surface now - how can you call "new exploits" in a time period of 1 month (just recently) a fair test?



If you knew anything about OSX, you'd know that it runs similarly. You can't touch system files or make system changes without first gaining root privileges (which can be your own account - similar to Ubuntu's setup).



This isn't a time for discovery, though; this is a time for execution. They aren't researching here. They're taking what they supposedly researched at home or away from the competition. Basically, no one is going to "suddenly" find anything at the competition.

And I don't understand the "it's secure because no one uses it" thing. All it is is an excuse, a denial of fact.
It's really not of any concern how long the OS has been around. What matters is the number of exploits that exist on a platform that you install on your PC.....so I consider the test valid. You could argue your point from a developer's point of view, but from a consumer's point of view the argument is moot.
BTW you're right, I don't know much about Mac OSX, nor do I care to know anything about Mac OSX......unless you get me in front of a # sign........then I know what I'm doing (I spend a large majority of my day at a Unix prompt.)
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It's really not of any concern how long the OS has been around. What matters is the number of exploits that exist on a platform that you install on your PC.....so I consider the test valid. You could argue your point from a developer's point of view, but from a consumer's point of view the argument is moot.
Yeah, it kinda is.

How are you going to say it's a fair test?

Look, you got XP 2001, 2002, 2003, ... , 2007 (when he put out that article).

XP is the most widely used. XP has been hacked to death. How many NEW exploits do you think there are going to be 6 years later?

OSX has 2001, 2002, 2003, ... , 2007 (when he put out that article).

It is NOT as widely used (as you well know.) What might not have been uncovered way back then will be uncovered NOW that OSX is gaining popularity.

vista is brand new. It's going to take time for its exploits to be uncovered to the extent XP has (if they're there, that is; we don't know).

You see? It's absurd to take a time period of ONE MONTH, 6 YEARS LATER, and then say one "definitely has more flaws than the other."

If you want to make a real comparison, you compare XP: total flaws, EVER to OSX: total flaws, EVER to vista: total flaws, EVER.

If you still want to believe george ou, enjoy looking at the world with your blinders on. You take the blue pill, and you wake up and believe whatever you want to believe.
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Yeah, it kinda is.

How are you going to say it's a fair test?

Look, you got XP 2001, 2002, 2003, ... , 2007 (when he put out that article).

XP is the most widely used. XP has been hacked to death. How many NEW exploits do you think there are going to be 6 years later?

OSX has 2001, 2002, 2003, ... , 2007 (when he put out that article).

It is NOT as widely used (as you well know.) What might not have been uncovered way back then will be uncovered NOW that OSX is gaining popularity.

vista is brand new. It's going to take time for its exploits to be uncovered to the extent XP has (if they're there, that is; we don't know).

You see? It's absurd to take a time period of ONE MONTH, 6 YEARS LATER, and then say one "definitely has more flaws than the other."

If you want to make a real comparison, you compare XP: total flaws, EVER to OSX: total flaws, EVER to vista: total flaws, EVER.

If you still want to believe george ou, enjoy looking at the world with your blinders on. You take the blue pill, and you wake up and believe whatever you want to believe.
Apparently I didn't read the fine print, as I thought that the 'leak test' consisted of taking each OS and finding the total number of current exploits after applying all the updates.
I don't necessarily call this fair, but to the consumer this is a valid test. It tests how valid each OS is in it's current format.
TBH security is a HUGE marketing ploy for home users to waste their money on anti-virus anyway.....not like it's mission critical. As long as you don't browse like noob everything will be ok.
I haven't run anti-virus since 2003 and I've not had a virus since. I load AV every so often to test.....but it never finds anything. I just have a good router a and a brain
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Apparently I didn't read the fine print, as I thought that the 'leak test' consisted of taking each OS and finding the total number of current exploits after applying all the updates.
I don't necessarily call this fair, but to the consumer this is a valid test. It tests how valid each OS is in it's current format.
TBH security is a HUGE marketing ploy for home users to waste their money on anti-virus anyway.....not like it's mission critical. As long as you don't browse like noob everything will be ok.
I haven't run anti-virus since 2003 and I've not had a virus since. I load AV every so often to test.....but it never finds anything. I just have a good router a and a brain
QFT my friend. I havent had AV software since '02. The underlined part is the part most lack
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Funny, my apple fanboy coworker mentioned this yesterday and made some disparaging comment about Vista. For some reason I haven't heard anything from him about it today...

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QFT my friend. I havent had AV software since '02. The underlined part is the part most lack
Yep......same with almost everyone I work with. We get to take home our routers from work ($500 Multitechs) and they're nice.......they actually have DIMMs and they're running their own miniature Linux OS.
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