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Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner View Post
What is all this talk about no java? I can go on Yahoo games just fine and play any game (they use java). Firefox works perfectly. That article said that they were giving Safari a speed boost somehow, but just not telling Mozilla that "secret."
http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t97636.html
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/fabrizi...nd_mac_os.html

They ignore the Java language in general when it comes to their older OS's and the community itself usually has to do the previous OSX java themselves...

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It's a pre-built computer, bro. It's not about choice; it's a "like it or leave it" kinda thing.

And the price actually isn't all that bad when you consider what goes in (and what doesn't) to the computers. You get a hell of a lot more software, and you get no crapware. The prices on your average dell or HP are subsidized by all the adware you get on the system - Apple computers have none of that.

So if you consider the software you get with an Apple computer and compare it to a similarly spec'ed PC, the price gap isn't that big. But again, whether or not you think the software is worth it is up to you; that's why you have a choice.
It's not the price/hardware thing that is huge (Though it is in many instances, particularly add ons and monitors)...it's the lack of lower priced options (As I said before the cheapest mac..with no monitor mind you...is $600...my sig PC I built for about $450, so for me that seems like a high "starting point" for a PC manufacturer.

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I'll take it into consideration... but:

I think the thing to note here is that most people aren't open to my opinion. I mean, I haven't said vista sucks, NOR have I said "OSX rocks." I've questioned people who have stated blankly "OSX sucks." I don't think that makes me a fanboy or not open to another opinion; I'm simply asking for evidence.

And like you said - we had a discussion once about iMovie vs windows movie maker. I didn't simply state "iMovie is better and WMM sucks." I broke it down and gave reasons for why I believe that. I don't see any of that here. All I see is people shoving aside the truth (eg. the competition is not a benchmork) in order to continue hate talk.

Oh, and another thing: opinions are like asses. Everyone has one
No you haven't and I have no idea why you need to be ripped like a new package of Doritos over it...

And yep...except mine is the biggest
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post #72 of 81
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IMO someone who uses "PC" to describe a computer with Windows is a fanboy.
Get with the program. You know what it means, I know what it means. If you want to be nit-picky, I don't want to talk to you.

Really, I don't think there has been a more pointless post in this thread than yours.

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http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t97636.html
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/fabrizi...nd_mac_os.html

They ignore the Java language in general when it comes to their older OS's and the community itself usually has to do the previous OSX java themselves...
I see.. I honestly didn't know what the deal with OSX + Java was.

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It's not the price/hardware thing that is huge (Though it is in many instances, particularly add ons and monitors)...it's the lack of lower priced options (As I said before the cheapest mac..with no monitor mind you...is $600...my sig PC I built for about $450, so for me that seems like a high "starting point" for a PC manufacturer.
Yeah, that's true. That's actually something I hadn't even thought of. My sig rig was $450, and I got it for the same reason I would have gotten a Mac Mini for (media center, although my sig rig was cheaper AND plays games.) In this case, the Mac wouldn't have suited my needs, so I simply didn't choose it. I didn't say it sucks completely; I just didn't need it.
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IMO someone who uses "PC" to describe a computer with Windows is a fanboy.

It's always commonly called that...I always call my Windows PC a PC, and my Linux PC a Linux Box...why I do that, I have no clue, it just seems easier to say than "a Windows Computer"
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post #74 of 81
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Cute.

Unfortunately for you, we're way past this post.



Take some logic classes, kiddo. Burden of proof lies on the party who made the claim. Can't figure it out? Go back to high school.

I don't really attack people, either. I use sarcasm and satire as my tools, but if you notice, most of what I do is interrogate people. I ask for the "why's," because that's what separates humans from other animals, and me from morons. "Why" is the only real source of power; without it you, are powerless.

If you can't answer the simple "why's," then you're just blindly following whatever you want to follow. My asking helps the smart people on this forum know whom to listen to, and whom NOT to listen to.

You can't even keep up with the times; I suggest that people on this forum do not listen to you.
I know what burden of proof is kiddo. Did you bother to read my post? I said it has no place here. This is not a court of law its a internet forum.

The smart people on this forum can think for themselves. They don't need your help.

You haven asked a single "Why" question so far in this thred. And your sacrasum and satire is very weak if not non existant.

Also you tell me to keep up with the times. I honestly don't have a clue where you are coming from there.

I suggest people do not listen to you. Cus your not asking your attacking.

PS: WHY is Vista so much better than OSX? WHY are there so much more people using Vista? WHY is Vista more secure than OSX? WHY WHY WHY?

Oh my I feel so powerfull. haha.
    
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Get with the program. You know what it means, I know what it means. If you want to be nit-picky, I don't want to talk to you.

Really, I don't think there has been a more pointless post in this thread than yours.
I contribute to whatever I can, you are welcome.
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post #76 of 81
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I know what burden of proof is kiddo. Did you bother to read my post? I said it has no place here. This is not a court of law its a internet forum.
Do you REALLY feel that way?

How many people do you think are going to listen to you instead of me? I can give a reason for everything I believe. All you've said is, "It is what I say it is because I said so."

Who's a more credible character, you or me?

They taught me this in 8th grade English; I don't know what they've done to the school system these days for you kids.

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The smart people on this forum can think for themselves. They don't need your help.
They don't need my explanation for why I'm saying what I'm saying? I suppose I'll stop with my long posts, just start making empty statements, and hope everyone can read my mind.

I'll start with this: "kmo_9000 has no idea what he's talking about." The smart people can figure it out for themselves.

Edit: They probably can! LOL

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You haven asked a single "Why" question so far in this thred. And your sacrasum and satire is very weak if not non existant.
I would go out and prove you wrong, but I already know you haven't read through the thread, seeing how you only quoted my first post on your first reply to this thread.

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Also you tell me to keep up with the times. I honestly don't have a clue where you are coming from there.
You need to read the WHOLE thread, not just the top couple posts. The top couple posts are old news.

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PS: WHY is Vista so much better than OSX? WHY are there so much more people using Vista? WHY is Vista more secure than OSX? WHY WHY WHY?
LOL this must be leet masta! All hail, all hail!

Why do people like the rich kids who make peoples' lives at school suck? Because they're good people?

Popularity != good

Just incase you didn't catch that, nowhere did I say, "vista sucks." I merely pointed out a possibility by asking a question. That's what I do. No wonder you couldn't find my "why" questions. Perhaps I should hand you a sparknotes page of each of my posts, since that seems to be the only way I can get through to you.
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Do you REALLY feel that way?

How many people do you think are going to listen to you instead of me? I can give a reason for everything I believe. All you've said is, "It is what I say it is because I said so."
Well - to be honest, everyday it feels more and more like OCN is becoming more of a.... court of law like he said. But, Im not saying it has anything to do with you specifically but in generall. I've found myself posting to others a little harder then what I should have if you understand me.
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Well - to be honest, everyday it feels more and more like OCN is becoming more of a.... court of law like he said. But, Im not saying it has anything to do with you specifically but in generall. I've found myself posting to others a little harder then what I should have if you understand me.
Actually, this is the nature of discussion in general. Where he came up with the courtroom thing - I have no idea.

Basically, if you're not going to give any reason for an opinion, then what good the opinion?

It's what separates kids from the not-kids. A kid says, "I'm not trying lima beans." The parent asks why, and the kid says, "Because I just don't like them. I just don't." You see where I'm coming from with that?
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Ya good Idea. Go home and dont spam here. If OSX was better more people would use it, simple as that.

EDIT: Should have known you would be here. BTW OSX does suck.
OSX doesn't suck. You think it sucks, but that does not make it fact. The burden of proof is on your claims. Prove it, or go home and don't spam here. In fact, you really don't seem to like anything non-MS. I do remember you trolling a number of PS3 threads. Here's a suggestion: trade your bias for logic. It will gain you a lot more credibility.
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Cute.

Unfortunately for you, we're way past this post.



Take some logic classes, kiddo. Burden of proof lies on the party who made the claim. Can't figure it out? Go back to high school.

I don't really attack people, either. I use sarcasm and satire as my tools, but if you notice, most of what I do is interrogate people. I ask for the "why's," because that's what separates humans from other animals, and me from morons. "Why" is the only real source of power; without it you, are powerless.

If you can't answer the simple "why's," then you're just blindly following whatever you want to follow. My asking helps the smart people on this forum know whom to listen to, and whom NOT to listen to.

You can't even keep up with the times; I suggest that people on this forum do not listen to you.

HAha,

Just lie back and play the devils advocate . Thats what I do <3.
Ill listen to what people have to say, if they want to argue because I truly love to argue, I get satisfaction and enjoyment out of it, but the other person gets mad, I have to to explain to them, "Im sorry, I was jsut listening to what you had to say and refuting it, If I offend you Im sorry because I really already know what your saying or I don't really care".

Honestly those words have gotten me into fights.
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