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Because the 35mm is riduclously sharp and those 2 stops are a godsend in low-light situations. The 18-55 is a decent backup, and I rarely shoot my 50mm -- 40mm is plenty for me. I can quick-change to the 50 if absolutely necessary.
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So, opinion question time --

Am I crazy for wanting to switch from a T1i to a 60D or 7D?

I just posted my T1i kit (with options for additional stuff) up in the marketplace (and on POTN...) - as long as the body and grip both go, I should have the money to pick up a refurbed 60D. I really liked the 7D I was messing around with (that auto-focus screen is funky!) but I really can't justify it unless I sell some more stuff, which would leave me with a 7D and essentially the 70-200m -- that and canon doesn't seem to have any refurbs in at the moment for CLP..
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The 60D is an incredible camera, but i've always head people say you should upgrade the glass before the body. Unless is has some feature you really really need obviously.
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The 60D is an incredible camera, but i've always head people say you should upgrade the glass before the body. Unless is has some feature you really really need obviously.
That's definitely true -- my idea is this though -- if I can sell this stuff, I can get the body for little - no out of pocket cost. Glass, I have to shell out cash or credit for -- a 50mm f/1.8 isn't going to go far in getting me a f/1.4.

Also, I really like the features of the 60D & 7D, and it will improve the quality of my indoor shots because of the handling of higher ISOs..
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Well, you already have some decent glass, so I'd say go for it! Don't forget, you an always snag a broken Powershot to use with the Canon Loyalty Program and then sell your T1i seperately.
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Well, you already have some decent glass, so I'd say go for it! Don't forget, you an always snag a broken Powershot to use with the Canon Loyalty Program and then sell your T1i seperately.
Already got one -- that's why i'm selling the T1i & Grip 60D refurb = $639 + tax in CLP. I found a place selling them NIB on eBAY for ~$880 though, but I think I'll go refurb.
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So, opinion question time --

Am I crazy for wanting to switch from a T1i to a 60D or 7D?

I just posted my T1i kit (with options for additional stuff) up in the marketplace (and on POTN...) - as long as the body and grip both go, I should have the money to pick up a refurbed 60D. I really liked the 7D I was messing around with (that auto-focus screen is funky!) but I really can't justify it unless I sell some more stuff, which would leave me with a 7D and essentially the 70-200m -- that and canon doesn't seem to have any refurbs in at the moment for CLP..
The 7D is an incredible camera, one of the top APS-C cameras on the market IMO. I bought it at launch and really loved the AF system, which can really deliver great results with the customizable tracking modes, zone AF point selection, 8 FPS, etc. Plus the 7D's build quality is superb, even better than my 5DII. In the end I didn't really take advantage of the OCF function or the AF system that much, so the 5DII was a better fit, worse AF be damned.

So, those features are worthy of serious consideration, but as a general purpose DSLR, the 7D is awesome if you can fork it over. The 60D is an entirely different camera in comparison, though its high ISO performance is comparable. The 60D is kind of like a neutered 50D, though it is a capable camera.

The adage about glass before body is definitely true, especially considering that high resolution APS-C sensors can actually magnify flaws in the glass. However, having a DSLR body with great ergonomics, robust build, and great performance is definitely a big factor.
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Isn't the only thing lower on the 60D over the 50D the frames per second?

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60D Advantages over 50D
Slightly better Viewfinder with more information displayed.
Noticeably better Rear LCD, 3:2 Ratio, 1040K dots, w/tilt & swivel.
Better sensor, 18MP, higher sensitivity, 6400 native.
Multiple Image Ratios, 3:2, 4:3, 16:9, 1:1
Better Battery, LP-E6, same as 5D-II, 7D w/more info and capacity.
Better Exposure Compensation, -5 to +5, shown in VF & top LCD.
Better Metering, Multi (63 area), Color, Dual layer.
Better Auto ISO adjustment.
DOF preview button moved to right side for one handed use as in 1D series.
Now with built in image adjustments, resizing and RAW conversion.
HD Movie capture, 1080p (30/24fps), Manual control, w/Audio adjustment.
Wireless Remote Flash control built in.
Infrared Remote capability built in.
EyeFi control built in.
60D same as 50D
Same Autofocus
Same Shutter and Mirror assy.
Same Interchangeable Focus Screens.

60D disadvantages to 50D
Slightly slower fps, 5.3 vs. 6.3.
NO Manual Lens adjustment built in. (BAD Canon)
No PC terminal. (My guess is that much less than 1% has ever needed it)

Other differences w/no real great advantage, it's just personal preference.
Plastic Composite Body Shell vs. Magnesium Shell.
SDXC vs. CF memory cards.
Slightly smaller body and slightly less weight.
Slightly different Control layout.
Everyone seems to think that a plastic body makes the entire camera garbage, When it's stronger and lighter, and cheaper.
Edited by Shane1244 - 3/11/11 at 9:59am
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The 7D is an incredible camera, one of the top APS-C cameras on the market IMO. I bought it at launch and really loved the AF system, which can really deliver great results with the customizable tracking modes, zone AF point selection, 8 FPS, etc. Plus the 7D's build quality is superb, even better than my 5DII. In the end I didn't really take advantage of the OCF function or the AF system that much, so the 5DII was a better fit, worse AF be damned.

So, those features are worthy of serious consideration, but as a general purpose DSLR, the 7D is awesome if you can fork it over. The 60D is an entirely different camera in comparison, though its high ISO performance is comparable. The 60D is kind of like a neutered 50D, though it is a capable camera.

The adage about glass before body is definitely true, especially considering that high resolution APS-C sensors can actually magnify flaws in the glass. However, having a DSLR body with great ergonomics, robust build, and great performance is definitely a big factor.
I too would like to know a bit more why the 60D is a neutered 50D (though I think I know some answers):

1) Body is made less out of magnesium than the 50D
2) Lower FPS (5.3 iirc)

But it has 30fps 1080P video and (from what I've read) better noise handling than the 50D.

It's my understanding that the 50D and the T1i share the same sensor, so it's a true sidegrade with an upgrade to the body but a loss of video... I think I want that 30fps 1080p video now (or at least the option to shoot it) after watching some video off of my fiancee's old P&S A590IS..
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Isn't the only thing lower on the 60D over the 50D the frames per second?
The 60D also has a smaller body, loses that joystick, uses an (in my opinion) inferior smaller scroll wheel, lacks AF microadjust, and IMO feels smaller to use.

I have a love/hate thing with the 60D. I actually love its IQ performance, but I'm too used to my 50D's body ergonomics to change over.
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