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Buy an enlarger, you can find cheap used ones.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marin View Post
Buy an enlarger, you can find cheap used ones.
Now this I did not know!

Do you have any reccs for sites to buy them?
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I had someone next town over selling an enlarger on CL for like $35 last week. Can't find it now, but looks just like the ones I used while I was in school.
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You can check around on CL's. There aren't sites like KEH for this stuff.

Also, buy your supplies from Freestyle (since they actually care about this stuff) if you can't get them locally.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shane1244 View Post
Isn't the only thing lower on the 60D over the 50D the frames per second?

Everyone seems to think that a plastic body makes the entire camera garbage, When it's stronger and lighter, and cheaper.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MistaBernie View Post
I too would like to know a bit more why the 60D is a neutered 50D (though I think I know some answers):

1) Body is made less out of magnesium than the 50D
2) Lower FPS (5.3 iirc)

But it has 30fps 1080P video and (from what I've read) better noise handling than the 50D.

It's my understanding that the 50D and the T1i share the same sensor, so it's a true sidegrade with an upgrade to the body but a loss of video... I think I want that 30fps 1080p video now (or at least the option to shoot it) after watching some video off of my fiancee's old P&S A590IS..
I'll answer these with this:

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The 60D also has a smaller body, loses that joystick, uses an (in my opinion) inferior smaller scroll wheel, lacks AF microadjust, and IMO feels smaller to use.

I have a love/hate thing with the 60D. I actually love its IQ performance, but I'm too used to my 50D's body ergonomics to change over.

Basically the differences have less to do with the image quality of the sensor, and more to do with ergonomics (the most significant IMO), burst speed, features such as micro adjust,etc.

The joystick and jog wheel controls are what make the xxD series (and the entire pro line of Canon DSLRs) great. Once you are accustomed to it, it's very efficient and quick. The wheel on the 60D isn't as good and the joystick is missing.

And about the magnesium alloy versus plastic. It used to matter a lot early on, as plastic tends to crack on impact whereas magnesium alloy will bend, thereby protecting the interior of the body better. But these days so-called "engineering plastics" are stronger than ever, hence the reason they're being used instead of magnesium.
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I'll answer these with this:


Basically the differences have less to do with the image quality of the sensor, and more to do with ergonomics (the most significant IMO), burst speed, features such as micro adjust,etc.

The joystick and jog wheel controls are what make the xxD series (and the entire pro line of Canon DSLRs) great. Once you are accustomed to it, it's very efficient and quick. The wheel on the 60D isn't as good and the joystick is missing.

And about the magnesium alloy versus plastic. It used to matter a lot early on, as plastic tends to crack on impact whereas magnesium alloy will bend, thereby protecting the interior of the body better. But these days so-called "engineering plastics" are stronger than ever, hence the reason they're being used instead of magnesium.
Know what's odd? While I was trying out the 7D vs 60D, I felt the joystick was counter-intuitive on the 7D..

I really need to kind of mull this over on the quick -- I have an offer out to a friend to buy the body/grip and I can't justify going 7D yet, so I'm back on to the 50D vs 60D argument... I want video though.... gah, wish I could put the 60D's innards in a 50D casing. >.<
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Probably ABS plastic. It has a density about equal to water, so it's not exactly light either.
Edited by theCanadian - 3/11/11 at 10:49am
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Quote:
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Buy an enlarger, you can find cheap used ones.
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Know what's odd? While I was trying out the 7D vs 60D, I felt the joystick was counter-intuitive on the 7D..

I really need to kind of mull this over on the quick -- I have an offer out to a friend to buy the body/grip and I can't justify going 7D yet, so I'm back on to the 50D vs 60D argument... I want video though.... gah, wish I could put the 60D's innards in a 50D casing. >.<
As do I (and probably many others)

The biggest advantage of the joystick for me is direct AF point selection. You literally just push that sucker to assign it to an AF point, or click it to use the center AF point. Very fast to do in the field, and much better than the old method of looking at your screen while using the dial.


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Originally Posted by Marin View Post
You can check around on CL's. There aren't sites like KEH for this stuff.

Also, buy your supplies from Freestyle (since they actually care about this stuff) if you can't get them locally.
I'd Rep you if I could
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It could be ABS, but I thought I heard somewhere that the 60D was using a fiber-reinforced impact-modified polycarbonate? It'd be lighter, probably cheaper, and a whole lot tougher than ABS.

EDIT: Also, any of you Nikonians have an opinion on the 16-85 VR?
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Know what's odd? While I was trying out the 7D vs 60D, I felt the joystick was counter-intuitive on the 7D..

I really need to kind of mull this over on the quick -- I have an offer out to a friend to buy the body/grip and I can't justify going 7D yet, so I'm back on to the 50D vs 60D argument... I want video though.... gah, wish I could put the 60D's innards in a 50D casing. >.<
As I was saying, once you become accustomed to it, it's the bees knees. There's a reason that same joystick-wheel combo is on the 5D and 1D bodies.

To alleviate some of your consternation, the 60D would work just fine for you judging from what your needs seem to be. Photographers are all about specs, most of which are very nit-picky and have little real impact (and some specs are arguably more critical, like the button layout). It's still a great camera, with a very high performing sensor.

One other plus for the 60D is that the kept the same AF point arrangement, 9 cross-type points. Very nice, especially in low light. My 5DII has just one cross-type point and AF in low-light can be tricky.

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As do I (and probably many others)

The biggest advantage of the joystick for me is direct AF point selection. You literally just push that sucker to assign it to an AF point, or click it to use the center AF point. Very fast to do in the field, and much better than the old method of looking at your screen while using the dial.
+1, I can change AF points in a split second thanks to the joystick. It also makes navigating through the menus easier.

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Originally Posted by laboitenoire View Post
It could be ABS, but I thought I heard somewhere that the 60D was using a fiber-reinforced impact-modified polycarbonate? It'd be lighter, probably cheaper, and a whole lot tougher than ABS.

EDIT: Also, any of you Nikonians have an opinion on the 16-85 VR?
According to DPReview, it's "aluminium and polycarbonate resin with glass fibre."
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