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ya, i dont get it, the more pixels you ram into the same size sensor the more noise at the same ISO or lower the ISO and sacrifice shutter speed
what are they thinking, just stick around 8-10 as a max, heck, my SLR is only 6, and can print large prints no problem, the only reason to go higher is if you plan on cropping alot
Ack double post... oh well. Anyway, TOTALLY agree with you! I shoot at 5Mp most of the time on my G9- Out of 12.1..... SO useless. Except for photographing a page out of a book or something.. or signs... Id say 8 would be good.. yea.


As for the post you JUST did- Well, at times, editing like the one time I did it, it can be an art... bringing the feel out more. But the photos should be great just from the camera... (Vacations and such you might want to tweak the photos a bit- especially when they were very rushed...) So um.... Yea? If the photographer uses photoshop all the time, but still has a great eye, Id say they'd be photographers.

Stuff like THIS is graphic design AND photography. I LOVE this guys work- I think I am going to try to do a couple of those...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gadl/se...7594279945875/
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Ack double post... oh well. Anyway, TOTALLY agree with you! I shoot at 5Mp most of the time on my G9- Out of 12.1..... SO useless. Except for photographing a page out of a book or something.. or signs... Id say 8 would be good.. yea.


As for the post you JUST did- Well, at times, like the one time I did it, it can be an art... bringing the feel out more. But the photos should be great just from the camera... (Vacations and such you might want to tweak the photos a bit- especially when they were very rushed...) So um.... Yea?
i agree, if you have vacation photos or sometime you want to liven up, thats cool (you had the exposure wrong or something) but if you really say (i took this photo and am submitting it in a PHOTOGRAPHY contest) i strongly disagree with editing the photo, if you cant get the results you are looking for without photoshop you arnt trying hard enough (there are examples ie. panoramics, you cant take a 180 degree photo that only covers 50 degrees vertical or doing some noise reduction in a long exposure)
but agian, for the most part, i disagree with people photoshoping a decent picture, making it look good, then calling themselves a photographer.

they have awesome skills with photoshop, but that has little to nothing to do with taking the picture itself (in my opinion).
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Hey! I edit with photoshop elements, and the gimp, but most photos of mine are unedited. I DID tweak "6 feet under" a bit, Made the lights on the top of the tunnel stand out a bit more... Just a bit though. I believe in no to minimal editing.

As for clarity, I tell the camera to stay at as low of an ISO as possible- In my case I can simply set the dial to 80. Also, high shutter speeds help to a point. Experimentation is the key here!

Btw, I have 1 4Gb card, 3 2Gb cars, and 1 each of 32, 128, and 256, for a total of about 10.3 Gb. (Trips and such- really helps)

I updated my page with these 3: Ill try and have em show up on the forums, don't know if DA works like that. Anyway, these are 100% unedited (Except for removing the license plate a bit more in the one shot) and only the night one was on a tripod. All my G9, and all in Rolla Missouri









I don't know if I like this one or not... Oh well its online now.






I LOVE this shot
hey those are nice, by the way do you live anywhere near cleaveland?
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i didn't get to go to Cleveland but i went and took some today anyway so am gonna share :hehe:

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Wow- I REALLY like the sunset / (Sunrise?) shot- The clouds are perfect! It looks so soft... but the trees are clear... And nice dog ^^

No I don't live near Cleaveland... I am close to Chicago.

And thanks!
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wow, mugan, that first one is awesome!
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ya i shot it sideways but i used viewer to rotate it, the clouds i thought were not that clear but the trees were hehe. here it is upright but i think it got messed up (BY THE WAY THANK YOU THOSE ARE THE FIRST COMPLIMENTS I HAVE GOTTEN IN PHOTOGRAPHY)
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As for clarity, I tell the camera to stay at as low of an ISO as possible- In my case I can simply set the dial to 80. Also, high shutter speeds help to a point. Experimentation is the key here!
That's the problem with point and shoot cameras: they can't take pictures over ISO 100-200 without significant noise. I also as a general rule shoot with the ISO sensitivity set as low as I can manage, but my SLR (Canon EOS 400D) can shoot at ISO 400 with absolutley no noise, and at 800 and 1600 ISO the noise is so low that Neat Image can easily remove it. Check out this review for the 400D and look at the ISO 100% crop tests below:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ca...ew/index.shtml

or even Schubie's D70:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/nikon/d70-review/

When I saw reviews like these, that's what convinced me to get into DSLR. And the 400D is only so-so when it comes to ISO performance. The Mark I or 5D is noise free through ISO 1600.

Now check out the G9's crops:

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ca...hot_g9-review/

Not that the G9 is a bad camera (among the best of the point and shoots), but after ISO 80 it's unusable. When I used P & S cameras I did what you did; always set the ISO to the lowest that the camera could go.
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i agree, if you have vacation photos or sometime you want to liven up, thats cool (you had the exposure wrong or something) but if you really say (i took this photo and am submitting it in a PHOTOGRAPHY contest) i strongly disagree with editing the photo, if you cant get the results you are looking for without photoshop you arnt trying hard enough (there are examples ie. panoramics, you cant take a 180 degree photo that only covers 50 degrees vertical or doing some noise reduction in a long exposure)
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they have awesome skills with photoshop, but that has little to nothing to do with taking the picture itself (in my opinion).
You're right to a certain extent, there's still something to be said about judiciousness when selecting aperture, shutter speed, composition and so forth. But even the best photographers do post shot editing, especially RAW adjustments, or combining exposures from bracketed shots (which can make images so incredible, that even film can't reprodcue it).

Digital photography isn't just about being able to avoid having film developed, it's about using technology to take it even further - reviewing shots on the camera's LCD, exposure bracketing, exposure compensation, noise reduction etc.

But again, skill when shooting is paramount. And besides, even the most talented user of Photoshop can only do so much to improve a photo; you can't polish a turd. A bad photo is a bad photo.
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Not that the G9 is a bad camera (among the best of the point and shoots), but after ISO 80 it's unusable. When I used P & S cameras I did what you did; always set the ISO to the lowest that the camera could go.
Yea... Noise i evil, but I needed a compact..

HOWEVER- That photo of the car at night I posted- ISO 200. So I would say "above 80 is unuseable" well.... not as a rule. 400+ is HORRID usually though
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