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I have a 50 1.2. Its one of 3 primes I own and its a great lens.
However, I did find this post (from sportsshooter.com message board) very informative and interesting regarding focal length...

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Jim Colburn, Photographer, Photo Editor
McAllen | TX | USA | Posted: 9:34 PM on 05.16.11
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Okay. The least useful lens has go to be the 50mm (on a full frame 35mm camera or its equivalent).

It all dates back to Ernst Leitz and his design for the original Leica. He doubled the then-normal 18x24mm movie frame to make a 24x36mm format. He decided that a "normal" lens should be equal to the diagonal of his new format (A squared plus B squared equals C squared so C = 43mm!) Why? Who knows.

If 43mm was Ernst "normal" lens why did every camera come with a 50mm?

Because Leits had a rockin' design for a 50mm f/3.5 (the Elmar) on the books that they could make good, and cheap (relatively). A 43mm would have required some serious redesigning. 43mm? 50mm? Close enough!

So Leicas shipped with a 50mm lens.

Why does 50mm suck so much?

The human eye may "take in" 140ish degrees but it only pays attention, normally, to about 27-29 degrees. Your eye flicks around A LOT and your brain puts things together but your eye likes the equivalent of a 73mm lens, hence the Leica 75mm (and earlier 73mm) lenses.

When you (your brain) "focuses" on something you're paying attention to something in the 12 degree range, which is why a 180-200mm lens seems to be such a "natural" long focal length.

When you (your brain) "steps back" and thinks wide it does so to about a 85 degree angle and that is why a 28mm lens seems like a comfortable wide angle lens. Anything wider seems a bit "unnatural".

Why does the 50mm lens exist? Marketing.

As a lens it's pretty useless.

And forget the "Cartier-Bresson shot with a 50" arguement because it turns out he REALLY liked the 35mm Leica lenses and usually wandered around with one of them on his camera instead of a 50.
While he argues against a 50 for good reasons, it doesn't change the fact it is a great lens at that focal length. Just wish they would've made that 43mm! I might opt for my 24-70 more often now and dial it in to see if I prefer that focal length--if indeed it does look more natural then the 50.
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Maybe rent a 5DII and give it a shot. You might find that you just aren't used to it, as many are quick to dismiss the handling and ergonomics of one or the other brand having only handled a body briefly. The jog wheel and joystick combo on Canon mid-level and pro bodies is fabulous.
I do love the wheel. But I like my shutter control dial on the back... My friend has one so maybe I'll give it a borrow.
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35 > 50. Try a 5DII, I actually prefer it to the ergonomics of Nikon bodies, but the actual grip is better on Nikons with that indent for your fingertips instead of just index finger.
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Maybe rent a 5DII and give it a shot. You might find that you just aren't used to it, as many are quick to dismiss the handling and ergonomics of one or the other brand having only handled a body briefly. The jog wheel and joystick combo on Canon mid-level and pro bodies is fabulous.
5dII is awesome.
I just wish I weren't so heavily invested in canon because the d3, d3s are awesomer. Yeah I know different target market, but canon really doesn't have an offering to compare to the d3's ff sensor, iso performance, fps.

Anyway more relevant to this post--the d3/s/x in my humble opinion is the most fantastic camera ergonomically.

-Just a canon fanboy giving nikon its due props.
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But then there's the D700... Pretty much a D3 if you grip it
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But then there's the D700... Pretty much a D3 if you grip it
Yeah, good camera in its own right, but not quite a d3.
Plus d3 can be had so cheap now, its hard to opt for the d700 imo.
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I'd go for a D700 over the straight D3... Much newer tech.
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Anyway more relevant to this post--the d3/s/x in my humble opinion is the most fantastic camera ergonomically.
I would shoot myself in the dick if I had to use a D3 variant. They feel awful to me. By contrast, I am having a hard time with my newfound love for the 1DIV. It.... may be coming.
post #13269 of 29551
D3 vert grip SUCKS. Normal grip makes me lose control of many bodily functions. And its just so solid. I do like the D700 more though, ungripped D700 + 35 AI-S is best.
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Just didn't like the ergonomics of the D3?
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