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Lens I'm looking forward to get once I have my EOS 1000D:

EF 50mm f/1.8 II - I think this kit is a nice investment, I'm looking forward for it since it has a very small f value, and I love taking night shots, and it is cheap.

EF 50mm f/2.5 Macro - Self explanatory, macro And by your suggestion, doubles as a good prime lens

EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 USM - Ultra wide shooting, but its price is/will hold me back...

As for a zoom lens, I have none defined yet, most I see (75-300, 100-300) all say that at higher focus lengths the photo tends to get some CA and to get soft. But if I had to choose:

EF 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 USM - very high focal range, I take that a 100-300 would be better at 200mm than a -e.g- 55-200, since from what I learned lens tend to have detail issues at their extreme settings, but correct me if I am wrong.

And of course the bundled EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS

What are your thoughts on these? All of them lack IS, but I can manage to get some clean shots at 1/20 of a sec and even 1/8 after a few tries.

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Lens I'm looking forward to get once I have my EOS 1000D:

EF 50mm f/1.8 II - I think this kit is a nice investment, I'm looking forward for it since it has a very small f value, and I love taking night shots, and it is cheap.

EF 50mm f/2.5 Macro - Self explanatory, macro And by your suggestion, doubles as a good prime lens

EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 USM - Ultra wide shooting, but its price is/will hold me back...

As for a zoom lens, I have none defined yet, most I see (75-300, 100-300) all say that at higher focus lengths the photo tends to get some CA and to get soft. But if I had to choose:

EF 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 USM - very high focal range, I take that a 100-300 would be better at 200mm than a -e.g- 55-200, since from what I learned lens tend to have detail issues at their extreme settings, but correct me if I am wrong.

And of course the bundled EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS

What are your thoughts on these? All of them lack IS, but I can manage to get some clean shots at 1/20 of a sec and even 1/8 after a few tries.

The 10-22mm doesn't really need IS. Only zooms with a long telephoto focal length really benefit from IS, which is why you should get a zoom other than the 100-300mm. Canon has zoom lenses that have IS, like the 55-250mm IS, the 75-300mm USM IS and the DO version of that one ("Diffractive Optics", much more compact than the ordinary 75-300mm and supposedly little to no CA). Or if you don't mind having a relatively short max focal length, the 28-135mm USM IS is a decent lens, which I've been using for a couple of years now. And you're right, all of Canon's non-L zooms are soft at full zoom and at the widest angle (and at really wide or narrow apertures too). It's just the nature of the beast, if you want a zoom that is corner-to-corner sharp at any focal length, you need to shell it out for an L.

To save some money, you can hold off on the 50mm f/1.8 mkII and just keep the 50mm macro for the time being. But I would definitely keep a true prime on your list of future lenses (esp. the 50mm f/1.4 USM). Macro lenses do make good primes, but they don't have as wide of an aperture and they're sharpest at macro distances.

And back to the zooms. When reviewer say a lens is "soft" at certain focal lengths/apertures, they're being extremely picky and are pixel peeping. I took this one with my 28-135mm USM IS at 28mm and f/11, and out-of-the-camera is wasn't bad, and with some PS unsharp mask, it came out fine:


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The 10-22mm doesn't really need IS. Only zooms with a long telephoto focal length really benefit from IS, which is why you should get a zoom other than the 100-300mm. Canon has zoom lenses that have IS, like the 55-250mm IS, the 75-300mm USM IS and the DO version of that one ("Diffractive Optics", much more compact than the ordinary 75-300mm and supposedly little to no CA). Or if you don't mind having a relatively short max focal length, the 28-135mm USM IS is a decent lens, which I've been using for a couple of years now. And you're right, all of Canon's non-L zooms are soft at full zoom and at the widest angle (and at really wide or narrow apertures too). It's just the nature of the beast, if you want a zoom that is corner-to-corner sharp at any focal length, you need to shell it out for an L.

To save some money, you can hold off on the 50mm f/1.8 mkII and just keep the 50mm macro for the time being. But I would definitely keep a true prime on your list of future lenses (esp. the 50mm f/1.4 USM). Macro lenses do make good primes, but they don't have as wide of an aperture and they're sharpest at macro distances.

And back to the zooms. When reviewer say a lens is "soft" at certain focal lengths/apertures, they're being extremely picky and are pixel peeping. I took this one with my 28-135mm USM IS at 28mm and f/11, and out-of-the-camera is wasn't bad, and with some PS unsharp mask, it came out fine:
That photo looks really nice Even colors are vivid and detailed, you used a polarizer for that one?

Well about those lenses, when they say they're soft, they place a 100% crop of the corner of the photo, and it is indeed soft or shows signs of CA, but hell, its a 100% crop... I'm not even feeling the need to shoot 10MP photos, I don't even take 5.1MP ones on my DSC-P100, almost ALL photos taken with that camera were at 3MP, aside my modding project photos.

I have looked into a few zoom lenses, the 28-135 USM IS is kinda out of my league... 457€. The 55-200 USM is 355€ which is what I am willing to pay for a lens. That's why I'm kind of holding back on the 10-22... I would need to shell out min of 700 for that one... or a SIGMA 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC HSM for 500, or a Tamron AF 10-24 / 3,5-4,5 SP DI II LD for a little more.

I'm going to look for some reviews on the sigma and Tamron wide angle lenses, it is quite painful to pay for a lens that costs more than the body itself, but hey... who said decent photography is cheap?

Then, for now my selections are: EF 50 f/1.8, EF 50 f/2.5 M, Sigma 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC HSM, and EF 55-200 USM (Not that I want to take ultra zoomed in photos in low light conditions, as far as my experience goes, zoomed in lenses always have higher f values)

Thanks for your support so far

EDIT: After seeing some sample shots of both Wide angle lenses, Sigmas 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC HSM will be my selection. Here's a review on the sigma lens

And to compare here's a review made by a user with the amron AF 10-24 / 3,5-4,5 SP DI II LD.
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Lens I'm looking forward to get once I have my EOS 1000D:

EF 50mm f/1.8 II - I think this kit is a nice investment, I'm looking forward for it since it has a very small f value, and I love taking night shots, and it is cheap.

EF 50mm f/2.5 Macro - Self explanatory, macro And by your suggestion, doubles as a good prime lens

EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 USM - Ultra wide shooting, but its price is/will hold me back...

As for a zoom lens, I have none defined yet, most I see (75-300, 100-300) all say that at higher focus lengths the photo tends to get some CA and to get soft. But if I had to choose:

EF 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 USM - very high focal range, I take that a 100-300 would be better at 200mm than a -e.g- 55-200, since from what I learned lens tend to have detail issues at their extreme settings, but correct me if I am wrong.

And of course the bundled EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS

What are your thoughts on these? All of them lack IS, but I can manage to get some clean shots at 1/20 of a sec and even 1/8 after a few tries.

the 75-300 lens by canon I would say avoid. from my understanding no matter what you do it's soft.

the 100-300 lens is ok. image quality still isn't that great even more so wide open but if you can get one with USM they are usually at least acceptable for performance on both focus speed and image quality.


as far as being able to do a shot at 1/8-1/20 of a second that might be one thing at shorter focal lengths. longer focal lengths though require a much more steady of a hand or shorter exposure times as the movements gets amplified by quite a bit.

also how much are you paying for taht XS? the XSI isn't a whole lot more and brings a bit more to the table there.
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the 75-300 lens by canon I would say avoid. from my understanding no matter what you do it's soft.

the 100-300 lens is ok. image quality still isn't that great even more so wide open but if you can get one with USM they are usually at least acceptable for performance on both focus speed and image quality.


as far as being able to do a shot at 1/8-1/20 of a second that might be one thing at shorter focal lengths. longer focal lengths though require a much more steady of a hand or shorter exposure times as the movements gets amplified by quite a bit.

also how much are you paying for taht XS? the XSI isn't a whole lot more and brings a bit more to the table there.
Well, true about the longer focal lengths... Forgot about that detail, my P100 has a min focal length of 8mm, so taking photos at 1/8 might become impossible at, let's say... 18mm. I am most likely get the 55-200 USM... OR make a long stretch for the 28-135 IS... But like I said, taking zoomed photos at low light conditions has a disadvantage, the f value, zoomed in its always larger.

The xs is 445€ + 23€ for an 8GB SDHC, the xsi is tagged 645 including a 2GB SD, it's too expensive, and for a beginner in SLR cameras, I think the XS will fill in my needs for quality.

I've been photographing the past 4 years with the same Point n shoot camera, no doubt an excellent camera and my dad, since it's his camera (as christmas present) was worth every € I dropped on that stores counter (IIRC around 400€ and a few dozen more for a 256MB Memory Stick Pro). To be honest, I'm really a fan of that Sony camera, never fell on the ground, not a single scratch on it, never failed



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Hmmm... toast... om nom nom nom...

Excellent macro photo... I'm... hungry. lol
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there are a few lenses that actually would not require longer exposure times being that you zoomed in more. it depends on the apreture setup. many lenses you see are lets say f/3.5-5.6 those will do as you said and lose light as you zoom in more. quite a few of the canon L lenses (though from the sounds of it out of your budget) are constant value. so with these lets say you zoom from 70mm to 200mm you can still keep the same wide open apreture value. though you can get some of these lenses that are not L lenses either though I don't believe non-L constant apreture lenses are common.

didn't know about the XS vs XSI pricing over there but figured it was worth a shot at least. here they seem to be overlaping on price depending on what store you to go.

one other question is what about the 55-250 IS lens? doesn't have USM but honestly I would rather have IS then USM for a slow telephoto lens. quality wise though I can't say as I don't know much about the 55-200 USM lens. another one of those things here in the states they seem to be about the same price though I don't know about there in portugal.
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That photo looks really nice Even colors are vivid and detailed, you used a polarizer for that one?

Well about those lenses, when they say they're soft, they place a 100% crop of the corner of the photo, and it is indeed soft or shows signs of CA, but hell, its a 100% crop... I'm not even feeling the need to shoot 10MP photos, I don't even take 5.1MP ones on my DSC-P100, almost ALL photos taken with that camera were at 3MP, aside my modding project photos.

I have looked into a few zoom lenses, the 28-135 USM IS is kinda out of my league... 457€. The 55-200 USM is 355€ which is what I am willing to pay for a lens. That's why I'm kind of holding back on the 10-22... I would need to shell out min of 700 for that one... or a SIGMA 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC HSM for 500, or a Tamron AF 10-24 / 3,5-4,5 SP DI II LD for a little more.

I'm going to look for some reviews on the sigma and Tamron wide angle lenses, it is quite painful to pay for a lens that costs more than the body itself, but hey... who said decent photography is cheap?

Then, for now my selections are: EF 50 f/1.8, EF 50 f/2.5 M, Sigma 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC HSM, and EF 55-200 USM (Not that I want to take ultra zoomed in photos in low light conditions, as far as my experience goes, zoomed in lenses always have higher f values)

Thanks for your support so far

EDIT: After seeing some sample shots of both Wide angle lenses, Sigmas 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX DC HSM will be my selection. Here's a review on the sigma lens

And to compare here's a review made by a user with the amron AF 10-24 / 3,5-4,5 SP DI II LD.
No polarizer, just some sharpening and minor adjustments to the levels. I find that when shooting RAW, I typically underexpose landscapes by about -.5 EV, which makes properly exposed skies, and foreground elements which are too dark I either do an exposure blend or use the dodge/burn tool in PS.

And I totally understand monetary limitations for lenses, but honestly Dragoon, why not just get maybe a really good zoom and macro for now, instead of getting several so-so lenses? That's what I've tried to do. Slowly accumulate good quality lenses, because you will always have those, whereas bodies will come and go.
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Finally am getting the hang of my S700, so here's a few test shots that were mostly taken it macro mode. I futzed with the white balance to make it a bit more towards the yellow end, as I've found that the fluorescent settings make stuff look even worse... Although on this setting colors are a bit more vivid (although that might be because I tested the so-called "Fuji Chrome" mode on a few shots.

Here's a sampling of them. Didn't realize that I was shooting ISO 400, so there's a bit of noise. However, there's almost no noise in black and white. And, there was no tripod use on any of these, which is surprising because I'm usually not steady enough to get blur-free pics in this kind of light. If you want to see the rest of the shots, just check out the Flickr.


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