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Looks good to me, but then again, I've never done any portraiture or studio work, so I'm definitely not an expert at these things.

I wouldn't be caught dead using one of those ND faders though. I've seen way too many shots ruined by them. Get a proper set of filters if you're going to be doing any critical work, especially if you're going to be using wide angle lenses.

It is only a little portrait stuff for friends, mostly it will be for experimenting with light and cars and...I got a ton of ideas now.

Can you show some examples?
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These people who shoot digital and have Zeiss have the worst pictures. People who shoot digital and Leica are usually bad on FM at least. Film Leica and Zeiss shooters have the best pictures ever for some reason. Almost like they're actually good photographers or something?

hey...that hurts....u aint got to call me out like that...

nd faders are ok, if you plan to shoot crop. but once u go on FF wide they are worthless. i get maybe 4 stops with mine at 24mm anymore and i get the X pattern.
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Can you show some examples?



I'll see if I can find some. Most of the time they don't even specify that one was used, but it's fairly apparent. The way they work is by stacking polarizers, so it's obviously going to do some weird things to lighting, color transmission, etc.


EDIT: Found a couple. These are more extreme cases, but they should give you an idea of what you're dealing with.

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So, yeah. Get some proper ND filters. I've had excellent luck with Tiffen. Avoid B+W for these though. I used to have one of theirs and it shifted the colors pretty severely.
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frown.gif I love my fader though...

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It WILL flare like a ***** pointed straight at the sun though, especially at higher ND levels (this was maxed out). I do have a feeling my lack of IR filter contributed to that looking funky too.
Full res wide open 35L, not much detail lost at all : http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5236/5852330074_7912113f2c_o.jpg

The above only happens when you go above the max ND, and you'll be able to see it in the VF, so just dial it down a tiny notch and it'll be all gone.

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hey...that hurts....u aint got to call me out like that...
nd faders are ok, if you plan to shoot crop. but once u go on FF wide they are worthless. i get maybe 4 stops with mine at 24mm anymore and i get the X pattern.

Heh not you. I meant the stupid elitist MF Zeiss shooters who are like MICRO CONTRAST YEAH HOLY CRAP! Heres the post right after that image:
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One would expect that shot above was from a macro lens! You bring up the issue of marked differences in resolving power and contrast at different f stops. The problem I have with deciding on lenses is that the numbers on rating sites do not necessarily correlate with their perceived quality. On Photozone's site, they state up front that they are unable to rate micro contrast (or total contrast for that matter) and quality of bokeh. The Zeiss 35 mm F2 actually doesn't have particularly high MTF values, but it has the Zeiss look. Technically the 50 mm MP has slightly lower resolution in the center compared with the lowly Nikon 50 mm F1.8 at medium f stops. However, some of the most beautiful photos I've seen on FM site were those of Lofoten done with a Zeiss 50 MP with almost total absence of atmospheric haze.

What. Theres more to photography than sharpness, and that picture isn't even any sharper than a kit lens. I don't get people. This guy even says that Zeiss lenses suck but they have a look, these photos look the same to me its so enraging.
Edited by dudemanppl - 1/28/12 at 11:07pm
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Yikes, well there's another reason not to use one.

Do you have any photos taken with a wider lens with the sky in the frame? That's when things normally start getting screwed up. No matter what density it's set at, there are going to be the standard polarizer artifacts.
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What would be a good density to grab? Can you stack them? like get a .6+ a .9 to make a .15? and so on?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Circular+Sizes_77mm&ci=114&N=4256189595+4291162308+4294955264
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I'd probably go with a 4 stop and an 8 stop. I suppose you can stack them, but it's usually not a good idea to because you'll get all kinds of reflections, and any optical flaws will be magnified.
 
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Brand_Quality+Brands&ci=420&Ns=p_PRICE_2%7C0&N=4277997907+4208108452+4208108431+4208108442+4208108438+4291432579+4183191556
And with a modern lens, no coating would be taken off, that crap is baked on. Filters are good too, but I'm too cheap Asian for them and a coating scratch will do basically nothing to an image.

I wasn't implying the coatng would be removed or damaged, as I'm not qualified to make that claim. I just don't feel comfortable doing so.
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I'll try it with the Tok 17 when I get the filter back... TBH, I've never used it for anything other than flash work and 17 ain't that great for it. But now I want to do an environmental portrait with it now. When I do use the filter though, the lens its on is usually wide open or up to 2/3rds stop down, nothing more. I are DOF whore. I wanna take pictures and stuff with it now, NEED THAT VBML.
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I'd probably go with a 4 stop and an 8 stop. I suppose you can stack them, but it's usually not a good idea to because you'll get all kinds of reflections, and any optical flaws will be magnified.

Soooo, with tiffen, what the hell do the .x numbers mean? can't they just say the damn stop deduction? lol

And I just realized i need a camera bag now. redface.gif
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