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5DII has DoF and noise advantages over the crop-sensor bodies. If he's got the money, there isn't a Nikon in existence that will do better video. Hell, by and large the only professional-level video that Nikon spits out is from the newly-released D800, even the D300s sucked at it.
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1) do you plan to record professional quality video for the purpose of commercial usage or feature length cinema or do you just want video to have and dont need cinema quality and arent a professional videographer
2) if the answer to question #1 is "no, i am not doing paid video work" then get a nikon with video instead unless you just have no preference.
nikon is just as good for general purpose video. while a 5DmkII is great and is also full frame when it comes to strictly video the effect you see from having FF over crop sensor honestly is just the FOV from lenses. for general use you will not see an improvement in quality of the 5DmkII video over say a T3i assuming you are using lower end consumer priced lenses. and even with Canon L lenses honestly most people can not tell the difference in video between the 2 especially when viewed on youtube. the video quality itself is about the same all around. i do say the 5DmkII is a much nicer camera than a t2i or T3i or 7D and will be much more pleasant to work with if you also plan on shooting stills as well. as far as video goes if you dont specifically need a full frame camera and just want it because everyone says full frame is better than i suggest something cheaper since the quality of the video itself will be about the same honestly.
and by about the same i mean having joe shmo try and tell the difference between FF and crop as well as video between 5DmkII and T2i
also on a side not my Epson V500 has been delivered and i am picking it up at my parents house while on the way to see red hot chilli peppers. im sure its been sitting in the sun since 10am but at least its a scanner and not something that is sensitive to heat biggrin.gif

No, I am an engineer and don't see myself using the camera for commercial usage or cinema work. Other than setting up a partnership with youtube, the camera will be for my own satisfaction. The main use of the video function will be for automotive related content (in-car, shows, races), and I will only be using L lenses. I really should have been more clear. I won't be only using the camera for video, but it's my main reason for choosing the 5D. I'm the kind of individual who likes to have the best of the best, and I think spending "a little more" on a nice body is fine.
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5DII has DoF and noise advantages over the crop-sensor bodies. If he's got the money, there isn't a Nikon in existence that will do better video. Hell, by and large the only professional-level video that Nikon spits out is from the newly-released D800, even the D300s sucked at it.

I'm honestly not even considering the D800 (I don't need 36MP) or the 5DMIII (not worth the extra money over the II). I'm pretty much only considering Canon at this point.
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Well, you'll have to decide how much a stop or two of noise, improved dynamic range and depth of field capabilities are worth to you. A prosumer body like the 7D or even a Rebel will satiate the video needs of most users, but the 5DII is the proverbial extra mile if you're looking to go commercial or simply have a full-frame body. Also, you might consider a camcorder for video if your D80 is sufficient for stills, but there's a size issue there. Lots of different points you will need to address before making such a major purchase.
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Well, you'll have to decide how much a stop or two of noise, improved dynamic range and depth of field capabilities are worth to you. A prosumer body like the 7D or even a Rebel will satiate the video needs of most users, but the 5DII is the proverbial extra mile if you're looking to go commercial or simply have a full-frame body. Also, you might consider a camcorder for video if your D80 is sufficient for stills, but there's a size issue there. Lots of different points you will need to address before making such a major purchase.

I'm definitely considering the 7D as well. But even though I'm not a professional, I can't get over the idea that everyone says the 5D is amazing and the way to go if you want to do video. I know what really matters is the glass you are using, but is it also worth it to spend the extra $500 on a 5D? Is 7D's superior FPS and AF points much better capturing racing photographs?

When you say "but there's a size issue there", are you referring to the "larger" size of a camcorder or the small size of the d80? Because I have more a problem with the small d80 body than a larger camcorder body.

Keep in mind, that I am planning as going as far as buying a Glidecam 2000 or 4000, so I will be taking the video aspect seriously.
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If you really are taking video seriously, the 5D would be my choice for the IQ and more DOF control.

Shooting racing, normally does not require a camera with huge FPS or the best AF tracking, simply because most of the action is very predicable. The only time a high FPS is nice is to get a nice crash sequence. There are a couple situations which fast AF tracking is helpful, but by and large it will not be needed, especially if you are shooting from spectator areas. The 5D would keep up just fine.

That being said, the problem with the 5D as far as racing goes, is you are going to need to have some really expensive glass to equal the "reach" you'll get when using a crop body.
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There's seriously a ton of stuff to touch on here.
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I'm definitely considering the 7D as well. But even though I'm not a professional, I can't get over the idea that everyone says the 5D is amazing and the way to go if you want to do video.

It's better for video for reasons I've already mentioned.
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I know what really matters is the glass you are using, but is it also worth it to spend the extra $500 on a 5D? Is 7D's superior FPS and AF points much better capturing racing photographs?

Now... that's a totally different subject. The 7D is a better choice if you want better AF, a reduced field of view with a given lens, higher burst rate and arguably a better control layout. Many 5DII owners will tell you that their continuous (AI Servo) AF perfomance using the center focal point is "good enough" for motion tracking. Rent one and find out if it works for you.
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When you say "but there's a size issue there", are you referring to the "larger" size of a camcorder or the small size of the d80? Because I have more a problem with the small d80 body than a larger camcorder body.

The camcorders are larger, which may pose an issue for some people.
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Keep in mind, that I am planning as going as far as buying a Glidecam 2000 or 4000, so I will be taking the video aspect seriously.

You're gonna have to use both bodies for a bit and see which one suits your needs.
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in all seriousness if you have only shot 2k frames on your d80 and that is all you have shot behind a SLR. i really think you should shoot some more instead of thinking about going fullframe.

the 5d2 is a great camera but it doesnt offer as much as you think when compared to even the d80. i think sub and jason already gave you all the reason what the 5d2 (7d also) offers as a camera. But what does that really mean to you the photographer.

unless the d80 is limiting you in some way (you only have the kit lens so i doubt this), you can get video with a dedicated camcorder or a d7000. with the money you saved with a camcorder/d7000 you can get yourself a nice piece of glass (17-55/2.8 or 24-70/2.8 etc) and still have money left over compared to a 5d2 and the cheapest L lens (17-40).
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Camera makes the photographer. Lenses don't matter, experience and skill don't matter, even the subject or composition don't matter. All that matters is the camera that you are using. In that case I believe a 1DX would suite you perfect. thumb.gif
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Camera makes the photographer. Lenses don't matter, experience and skill don't matter, even the subject or composition don't matter. All that matters is the camera that you are using. In that case I believe a 1DX would suite you perfect. thumb.gif

You forgot to add a Red Scarlet for the video when you dont use your 1DX for stills tongue.gif
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Camera makes the photographer. Lenses don't matter, experience and skill don't matter, even the subject or composition don't matter. All that matters is the camera that you are using. In that case I believe a 1DX would suite you perfect. thumb.gif

O....kay?
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You forgot to add a Red Scarlet for the video when you dont use your 1DX for stills tongue.gif

Too bad you can't mount your nine thousand dollar 400/2.8 on it.

A 5DII doesn't cost much more than a 7D or D7000 anymore if purchased used or refurbished, and if someone is looking for low-noise, full-frame HDSLR capability, I don't see why it's such an absurd consideration. Get over yourselves.
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