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hey guys, I have an odd request.

So basically, I got into photography as a hobby with no intentions of doing a side-biz with it, but I did some work for some really well-connected people a while back, and I've been getting emails and calls left and right for photo work. ( mostly highschool sr photos, pre-prom photos, and graduation stuff )

Before all this, the only work I did was for friends, co-workers, family, and people I generally knew.

But now its people I've never seen or met before, and the first question always seems to be "what do you charge" with people I know, I would tell them "I work for free, but donations are accepted" as most of it was for family, and family friends. Doing that, payment would mean anything from cash, beer, or keys to their nice car to play around in for a bit.

First off, I don't like the way I see alot of people in the area going about it that charge '$XX for a 30-min session, and 15 fully edited photos' with additional photos, edits, and time chargnig more. ( i get the idea and reasoning behind it, but its not for me )

I'd much prefer to say for $X amount, we will do all the shots you want, wheverever location, no dumb charges for changing outfits, props, or whatever. You get all the photos from the day, and I'll pick and choose the best ones and edit them for you, and if there are any you think I missed, just let me know.

But the thing is, I don't know what to charge.

I'm no pro, I don't plan on quitting my 8-5 to do this. Just basically helping people out who couldn't afford a dedicated pro opened a flood gate of work for me. And i'd like to bill my self as simple and affordable.

Basically, I want to be affordable and help people out, but don't want to end up screwing myself over.


Any ideas, tips, or suggestions from some of you more seasoned guys out there?

What is the length of a typical shoot and how long do you spend on editing? I say $50 an hour minimum for the shooting. That includes your prep and travel time. Not editing time tho. Remember you are still paying for your gear, your gas, your time, and experience. They are asking you, not someone else, to shoot them. They are happy to pay for your time and the images. 

 

I charge about $100-$150 per 1-2hr shoot. $40-60 for a half hour session for FAU students. With that they get at least 10 well edited watermarked images (2048px long edge sized) for sharing on social media and family on the web...I usually end up giving them 20-40 images anyways lol. I charge extra for the print releases and prints of course.

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What is the length of a typical shoot and how long do you spend on editing? I say $50 an hour minimum for the shooting. That includes your prep and travel time. Not editing time tho. Remember you are still paying for your gear, your gas, your time, and experience. They are asking you, not someone else, to shoot them. They are happy to pay for your time and the images. 

I charge about $100-$150 per 1-2hr shoot. $40-60 for a half hour session for FAU students. With that they get at least 10 well edited watermarked images (2048px long edge sized) for sharing on social media and family on the web...I usually end up giving them 20-40 images anyways lol. I charge extra for the print releases and prints of course.

well travel isn't important, as the shoot is at my home town,and its over easter weekend and i'll be there for family, so that does not count in my book ( its a tiny cow town )
Set up isn't much for me etiher, since nearly everything fits into my bag, and at most I'll be carrying a flash stand if I buy one before then and a tripod if I need it ) Basically just make sure I have fresh batteries, clean memory cards, and everything is clean and packed up.

The way I would like to work is one fixed price for everything, travel, unlimted shoots and edits, a dedicated page on my website for access anywhere, basically every shot I think is good i'll edit, and they get copies of all the shots from the day good or bad ( along with the edited ones ) for them to do as they please. No watermarks, no pay for more edits, no release fee's etc. I don't like feeling like I am pressuring people to spend more for more, or having to limit what they get baised on their financial situation.

I'm no where as skilled as you are, and it seems criminal for me charging what people who are way above me charge.
Edited by Jixr - 3/31/14 at 1:18pm
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well travel isn't important, as the shoot is at my home town,and its over easter weekend and i'll be there for family, so that does not count in my book ( its a tiny cow town ) Set up isn't much for me etiher, since nearly everything fits into my bag, and at most I'll be carrying a flash stand if I buy one before then and a tripod if I need it ) Basically just make sure I have fresh batteries, clean memory cards, and everything is clean and packed up.

The way I would like to work is one fixed price for everything, travel, unlimted shoots and edits, a dedicated page on my website for access anywhere, basically every shot I think is good i'll edit, and they get copies of all the shots from the day good or bad ( along with the edited ones ) for them to do as they please. I don't like feeling like I am pressuring people to spend more for more, or having to limit what they get baised on their financial situation.

I'm no where as skilled as you are, but can manage stuff like this.

Be sure to setup, at least, a simple contract. What they are providing, what you are providing. I see to many times where people are getting into arguments with 'clients' over what was or was not provided. If you google around you can probably find some good examples or things to include.
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yeah, thats a good idea. I'm sure there are some basic contract type stuff. Never hurts to be safe.

With family I never bothered, but with people I've never met I'm a little nervous.
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One thing I like to do is under promise and over deliver with my clients. Usually things end up way better that way rather than vice versa. :D

 

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well travel isn't important, as the shoot is at my home town,and its over easter weekend and i'll be there for family, so that does not count in my book ( its a tiny cow town )Set up isn't much for me etiher, since nearly everything fits into my bag, and at most I'll be carrying a flash stand if I buy one before then and a tripod if I need it ) Basically just make sure I have fresh batteries, clean memory cards, and everything is clean and packed up.


I's still figure in like $10 towards your fixed price for that. You don't want to just be doing it at a loss. You want to maintain some sort of small profit or at least have the work help pay for your gear.

 

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The way I would like to work is one fixed price for everything, travel, unlimted shoots and edits, a dedicated page on my website for access anywhere,

Well, you seem to know what you need to add up what expenses you have.

 

I'd say do this minimum for a shoot:

$10 for prep and travel and gear cost

$10 for your website expenses

$50 an hour shooting on location and edit time

 

So say a $70 for a 1hr -1.5hr shoot

$120 for a 2hr-3hr

etc

 

That is for personal shoots with clients, not business/schools

 

For business/school do a $75-$100 an hour charge.

 

Trust me, these are cheap prices. Pro's charge more. Typically a pro goes of a day rate (at least here). Usually in my area that is anywhere from $1200-$2000 for an 8hr day.

 

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basically every shot I think is good i'll edit, and they get copies of all the shots from the day good or bad ( along with the edited ones ) for them to do as they please. No watermarks, no pay for more edits, no release fee's etc.

I do that sometimes myself. :) I just make sure i do a guarantee of a minimum of 10 so they clearly know what they are getting at the least. Client/Photographer clarity is a must. You should make a small contact too. I still havent made one myself, but the shoots I do arent that expensive or important to the point where I need one yet. I just make sure I get them to sign a model release tho so I can publish the images from the shoot as I please.

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I don't like feeling like I am pressuring people to spend more for more, or having to limit what they get baised on their financial situation.

I agree. But, you should still clearly state what you are going to provide them as a base so they know what to expect. Then feel free to offer up the rest of the work to go along with that minimum base of service free.

 

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I'm no where as skilled as you are, and it seems criminal for me charging what people who are way above me charge.

Eh, you're pretty good yourself. Better than some of the "pro's" around here lol.

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Eh, you're pretty good yourself. Better than some of the "pro's" around here lol.

i don't like tooting my own horn, but I kinda agree lol.

There are a million people I see claiming to be pro's when clearly, they are as good as your average soccer mom with a dslr

I don't knock having cheap gear ( as my budget for gear its pretty small, and all my gear is craigslist seconds ) but when you're rocking a kit lens and your only online publishing is facebook and instagram, then I don't see you as one, even if you can pay your bills doing so. ( That being said, I've seen some AMAZING shots with cheap gear)

( or even worse, seeing photos of people I know who hired a 'pro' and the photos look like absolute crap, when I would have done the job for less than half of what they paid )

But your idea of having a base+time is a good idea. I'm not a business type of person at all, and I'm just getting slammed with requests for photos and its all knda daunting.

And for both parties it would be a good idea to edit a contract online about expectations, agreed upon payment, and details about me providing the images via email, or whatever delviery method of their choice. ( as well as me being able to use the photos on my website for marketing reasons )

I just got a call today, but I'll talk with the people later about what all they want and i'll narrow it down from there.
Edited by Jixr - 3/31/14 at 3:04pm
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Got my 50 1.8d today, quite a jump from the kit lens. The DOF is great but the crop is gonna kill me at car shows this year.

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Got my 50 1.8d today, quite a jump from the kit lens. The DOF is great but the crop is gonna kill me at car shows this year.

Sounds like you need a 35mm 1.8G rolleyessmileyanim.gif

I would have gone for a 50 but IMO it's too tight to be practical on a cropped sensor body. The 50 certainly still has it's place though.
     
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I would've grabbed the 35, but this is the 1.8D so it was only $114. Price to performance ratio is through the roof.
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I would've grabbed the 35, but this is the 1.8D so it was only $114. Price to performance ratio is through the roof.

I guess there is quite a difference in price tongue.gif

The 50 1.8D wasn't an option for me though, only the G, which is a lot closer in price to the 35.
     
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