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On the 70-200 2.8 Tamron, it boils down to price. I believe the old model was nothing spectacular, exacltly because it had to overcome what the 70-200L 4 non-IS was (a really good, really fast focusing, pretty sharp lens @ the lowest price for L optics), and ofc its 3rd party competitor, the 70-200 EX DG (blah-blah) 2.8 Sigma that was perhaps a tad better. The Canon 2.8 IS models were simply out of reach price-wise, so those being better was almost practically irrelevant.

But a 2.8 zoom is a 2.8 zoom, that will give you a much brighter VF in SLRs, will perhaps allow the camera to focus more positively (albeit perhaps not faster, it could be more consistent) than f/4 optics would allow, and wide open would also allow for double the shutter speed for freezing motion - something VC/IS/VR etc can never accomplish.

I feel happy with my 70-200L 4 IS, mainly because it is so light, but I don't think you did bad buying the 2.8 tamron. Especially if it was a good price which would allow you to push it to the next buyer if you don't like it. I have taken flak on this before in this thread, but again, armed with patience you can buy 2nd hand lenses which you can later flip for close to no loss other than shipping.
Edited by pcfoo - 5/20/15 at 7:24pm
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If I shot canon I'd get a 70-200 f4 non-is as those things sell almost dirt cheap, over in the nikon camp things aren't as cheap though frown.gif The nikon 70-200 f4 probably sells for about £600 used (not to sure, haven't even looked). My budget for this is about £300-£350ish, which sits quite nicely in the used Tamron and Sigma (non-VC/OS) price zone.

My plan is to see how it goes with the Tamron; if it's alright I'll keep it, if not I'll return it as the seller I got it from allows returns of unwanted goods within 14 days. Then I'll maybe get on the lookout for a Sigma 70-200 (non-os), My mate has a non-os sigma and he really rates it.
     
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Sorry, I wasn't paying attention/remembering you had Nikon gear.
The Tamron is a good lens...unless you get a lemon, the center should be tack sharp @ f/2.8 and only gets better f/4-f/8.

You should not worry about it much with the APS-C D7200, but it does vignette a bit on the heavy side in faster apertures @ FF.
That's pretty much it, otherwise it is very respectable for the money, and if you got it for sub 350 pounds with the ability to return for a refund, I think you did pretty well!
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And the very old Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 APO EX ?

Is this still a good lens by today standards?
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Ok I got the 70-200 this morning and have taken it out twice today to give it a good test, once around midday, then again just now (evening) to really get a feel for what it's like. Optically it's great, fairly sharp at f/2.8 and very sharp stopped down to f/5.6. The only real problem with it, as I expected after reading reviews is the autofocus. It misses focus occasionally, but not as much as I originally thought as it turns out I just let the shutter speed drop too low. The main problem is the speed of autofocus, it's slow, very slightly slower than my 55-200 and that's not a fast focusing lens by a long shot. While I was out with it today I tried taking shots of birds and was getting about 40-50% decent shots. Then the red arrows came by (practicing) and I had a bit more success with those than I did the birds but AF was still being a bit of a pain while I was shooting them. There's also another little problem with it, there's something loose rattling around inside near the lens mount, probably a screw or similar.

So overall I'm not sure whether to keep this lens or return it, I love the IQ but the AF is a pain. On the other hand some guy on facebook (who seems to check out) is selling a Sigma 70-200mm APO f/2.8 II HSM DG EX for around £250. It comes with all accessories and according to him the HSM motor was replaced and firmware updated just over a year ago. I'm considering purchasing that and getting the Tamron returned, what do you guys think? I really can't make my mind up tongue.gif
     
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Sorry Im asking in between about a similar lens scott tongue.gif
But rattling is not a good sign.


Well the Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 APO EX I mentioned earlier would cost only 170 euro. Super cheap with a little scratch which is not visible in any photo so far.
The only issue here is most of my test pictures look soft. Propably too soft when cropped.

Now Im pretty unsure about this lens. What do you guys think? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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I messed up some photos because its so heavy biggrin.gif But not every photo and it looks soft. (Atleast in my mind lol)

btw thanks for all the previous answers about the vc.
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what are you looking for? not many lenses are going to look eye bleeding sharp SOOC unless you are shooting on a camera that has the aliasing filter removed. that filter softens images optically to battle against moire and various other flaws that come with digital sensors. i bet if you sharpen in post those will be sharp as a tack.
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yes you are right.
But I dont think this lens would be as sharp as others without the AA Filter.

Not many pictures look perfect sharp without any extra sharpening. The thing is I have a feeling it looks alot softer than any picture from other lenses. The Nikon 18-135mm is not even a good lens but sharp.
Otherwise it might only be me. I cant compare them picture by picture.

I want to make sure Im doing the right. A 70-200mm f2.8 for that cheap? Should anyone even think about this?
And then again.. soft images might annoy me and prevent me from getting the best possible picture.
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Update:

I sent the Tamron back today, the package was 40g away from costing me an extra £15 to post tongue.gif The guy selling the Sigma got back to me this morning too, the price was decent so I ended up buying it for £270 inc paypal and postage fees. He then posted the lens then realised he'd left the tripod collar off, so there's now two packages on the way to me, which should get here tuesday due to the bank holiday.

Hopefully I'll be happier with the Sigma, if it's sharper than my 55-200 and focuses faster I'll be happy. That tamron wouldn't even focus as fast as the 55-200, and that's pretty much a kit lens rolleyes.gif
     
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pcfoo View Post

Striving to shoot things as good as possible in-camera is a good goal, so that you have a "better photograph" to work with.

It'll be hard objective to learn that. But as you said it hastes editing progress nicely. Im just too lazy to tweak every picture i take, honestly. I swapped today Tamron to my camera and only word i could say was like: Woah. Im no longer using that Kit lens, its just horrible if you can compare it to this. Only minus i know is that its way too big for indoors, 70-300. I might order another for that. Hopefully i can control this "hobby" of mine.
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