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5D4 is whatever. Gonna see if Sony brings anything to the table otherwise it'll probably be a 5DSR.

Waiting for something interesting from Nikon. D620, D820 or somthing similar.
The D500 and the 105mm f1.4 seems pretty epic but nothing for me at all biggrin.gif


Also I have to admit the 5DIV looks like an amazing camera (based on stats).
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All current cameras are amazing...and I count older models inline with the 5D3 in that too...improvements in still photography, but also videography are incremental.

Any tool in the $ range of the 5D4 has to be good, and it is...I understand why it doesn't blow ppl's socks off, but what does/did? Tech is more mature now, and initial excitement withers fast as the diminishing returns of "new" stuff is realized...like the MILC crazyness withered quite a bit, and the "omg we don't have DR with canon sensors" withered (outside of forums) etc...in the long run, those with disposable income and the need to jump systems will do it anyways to satisfy their G.A.S. with the latest F.O.T.M. whatever. Then jump back / elsewhere again and again.

Also - as far as $ goes and people complaining about the price for the new 5D (which is the same as what all the 5s before it were), I will just mention that the D500, a $2,000 body, was awarded prosumer camera of the year 2016-2017 by EISA...sure, they wanted to give something to Nikon for this amazing piece of kit, but "prosumer" @ $2,000? It is clearly a professional cropped body, with a price to match (i.e. the most expensive mainstream APS-C DSLR over a decade)...oh, sorry, only FF cameras are "pro", so a cropper has to be amateur-ish... tongue.gif
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Waiting for something interesting from Nikon. D620, D820 or somthing similar.
The D500 and the 105mm f1.4 seems pretty epic but nothing for me at all biggrin.gif


Also I have to admit the 5DIV looks like an amazing camera (based on stats).
Not switching to Nikon, have too many L lenses and don't feel like selling them off.
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Waiting for something interesting from Nikon. D620, D820 or somthing similar.
The D500 and the 105mm f1.4 seems pretty epic but nothing for me at all biggrin.gif

The thing I'm waiting for Nikon to release is a 16-35mm f/2.8. Canon are on the 3rd revision of theirs, meanwhile us Nikon users only have the f/4. People can't keep clinging onto the 17 year old dinosaur 17-35 2.8 forever.... we need a real replacement. I've been using my f/4 a hell of a lot recently, and its a great lens, but I can't help but think how much better it would be if it came in a f/2.8 version as well, for more flexibility, brighter viewfinder, etc..
     
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Not switching to Nikon, have too many L lenses and don't feel like selling them off.

 

Plus that cheap flange adaptor compatibility... That's a big plus for me to stay on the EF system.

 

...along with compatibility with my film body of course. Although I don't use it all that much to be fair.

 

Why can't the silly Sigma 50-100mm f/1.8 be compatible with full frame bodies? I'd be all over that.

   
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The thing I'm waiting for Nikon to release is a 16-35mm f/2.8. Canon are on the 3rd revision of theirs, meanwhile us Nikon users only have the f/4. People can't keep clinging onto the 17 year old dinosaur 17-35 2.8 forever.... we need a real replacement. I've been using my f/4 a hell of a lot recently, and its a great lens, but I can't help but think how much better it would be if it came in a f/2.8 version as well, for more flexibility, brighter viewfinder, etc..

Most Canon users I know that have tried the 16-35L 4 IS - which for all intents is not really better than the 16-35 4 VR - along with a recent FF body that really lets you play with higher ISOs without too many compromises, have left their 16-35L 2.8 IIs when shooting weddings, events etc.
UWA f/2.8 lenses often have serious falloff / not really flat field @ f/2.8, so people are using them stopped down anyways. Modern f/4 zooms are really good in this respect. For staff that are not "Reeeeeeallly" low light limited - e.g. super low light or astro etc - f/4 works fine.

Filters also work better / are cheaper @ 77mm vs 82, so people shooting landscapes that don't like to blend a zillion shots, opt for them over wider/faster options that don't accept filters at all or heavily vignette with them...

Nikon made a great lens in the 14-24 f/2.8...its "holly trinity", people love it, guess Nikon prefers to push that instead. Ofc the range is pretty limiting for things other than landscapes / astro / UW interiors etc.

If you are not adhered to the Nikkor line, why not try the much cheaper and equally amazing Tamron 15-30 VC? Seems to have everything - or nearly everything. Better zoom range than the 14-24 for all-around, practically just as good optics, effective VC tech and ofc much cheaper. Just as the 14-24, doesn't accept filters unless you are prepared to invest in and carry those monster rectangular ones with adapters etc...
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If you are not adhered to the Nikkor line, why not try the much cheaper and equally amazing Tamron 15-30 VC?

 

Christ almighty, just had a quick look around tinternets and it looks seriously impressive.

 

Equally impressive is its price tag though, Twelve-hundred dollars is a notch steep.

 

Ah well. Carry on dreaming.

   
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Historically Nikon's top glass is more expensive than equivalent Canon L glass...so with the pricing of the latest 16-35L III being what it is, and ofc the precedent of the 14-24, any new UWA f/2.8 Nikkor zoom would make the Tamron look even more competitive!

Cheap it'll never be called, but there is lots of value...if you are after a kg (or two) of such glass.
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I would if I was a professional.

 

But I'm not so certain things are a bit off-limits :P 

 

Not like I'm constrained by my current gear at all, though. It's more of a case of GAS than it is anything else. But since I know this, I can stop myself from buying anything!

   
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Originally Posted by pcfoo View Post

Most Canon users I know that have tried the 16-35L 4 IS - which for all intents is not really better than the 16-35 4 VR - along with a recent FF body that really lets you play with higher ISOs without too many compromises, have left their 16-35L 2.8 IIs when shooting weddings, events etc.
UWA f/2.8 lenses often have serious falloff / not really flat field @ f/2.8, so people are using them stopped down anyways. Modern f/4 zooms are really good in this respect. For staff that are not "Reeeeeeallly" low light limited - e.g. super low light or astro etc - f/4 works fine.

Filters also work better / are cheaper @ 77mm vs 82, so people shooting landscapes that don't like to blend a zillion shots, opt for them over wider/faster options that don't accept filters at all or heavily vignette with them...

Nikon made a great lens in the 14-24 f/2.8...its "holly trinity", people love it, guess Nikon prefers to push that instead. Ofc the range is pretty limiting for things other than landscapes / astro / UW interiors etc.

If you are not adhered to the Nikkor line, why not try the much cheaper and equally amazing Tamron 15-30 VC? Seems to have everything - or nearly everything. Better zoom range than the 14-24 for all-around, practically just as good optics, effective VC tech and ofc much cheaper. Just as the 14-24, doesn't accept filters unless you are prepared to invest in and carry those monster rectangular ones with adapters etc...

True, there aren't a whole lot of differences between f2.8 and f4 for most applications, but one thing I've found is with an f4 lens, vs 2.8 the viewfinder can be noticable darker in lower light situations. Sometimes I can have trouble seeing people in dark places in the nightclub, and have little more than a faint silhouette to compose against

I did consider a Tamron 15-30, but the inability to use filters, and the sheer size of it are problematic. I really need a filter thread, so I can put a piece of glass between my nice expensive glass, and drunk people/their drinks. I had the chance to pick up a 15-30 for £600 at one point, which is exactly what I paid for my 16-35.
     
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