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Prices on used Canon 5D mark III's are dropping. I just picked up one that looks new with under 4300 exposures, battery, an extra charger and a few other things for $1680. I am looking forward to having two of these to work with. The 60D will be in a kit for my girlfriend to shoot with as she prefers that one and the ef-s lenses I have for it are decent anyhow. The 6D for astro and a 3rd FF when needed.
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Anyone have any thoughts on the A99II?
Looks like it makes my A77II obsolete in every way except price. Even the extra reach of the crop sensor is almost completely negated by the 42 meg sensor. I'll probably be picking one up once they start hitting the used market.
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Not a fan at all of SLTs. I like the light that comes through the lens hitting the sensor, not going through a semi-mirror and then hitting the sensor.

   
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Not a fan at all of SLTs. I like the light that comes through the lens hitting the sensor, not going through a semi-mirror and then hitting the sensor.

There's pro's and con's to everything. SLT does sacrifice 1/3 a stop of light. But that's the only con. And if you're using a fast lens, it's actually a really small con. There is zero impact on image quality. The A6000 and A77II have essentially the same sensor, and they got the exact same DXOMark score. Actually the A77II would score higher if you omit the ISO score, which is lower due to the mirror.

Because the mirror is locked in place, the AF performance and burst speed of SLT is unbeatable.
Just look at the A99II: performance comparable to a D5/1DX, but priced like a D810/5D. That's why I'm excited about that one. And I don't think Sony is pushing that tech to its limit, if they wanted to build a $5K+ SLT, it would be an absolute beast.
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Anyone have any thoughts on the A99II?
Looks like it makes my A77II obsolete in every way except price. Even the extra reach of the crop sensor is almost completely negated by the 42 meg sensor. I'll probably be picking one up once they start hitting the used market.
Sony still doesn't have a solid lineup for the a-mount and they've been pouring more into the e-mount in comparison. I'd rather go with the e-mount at this point in time since there's way more of a guarantee that they'll stick with that in the future.
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Sony still doesn't have a solid lineup for the a-mount and they've been pouring more into the e-mount in comparison. I'd rather go with the e-mount at this point in time since there's way more of a guarantee that they'll stick with that in the future.

I don't think e-mount will ever get any long telephoto's (what I'm most interested in). At least not for a long time. It took 6 years for them to release a consumer class 70-300, and that is the longest native e-mount currently available. A lens like that should have been available when e-mount first launched. I'd give them another 6 years to come out with a 300 2.8.
That's why I sold all my e-mount gear. Seemed tempting at first, until you get into the details and realize all the shortcomings.


But my question is simply what's your opinion of the A99II as a camera? (just based on specs right now). Forget a-mount, e-mount, sony, not sony. Just looking at it for it's own merits and weaknesses.
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There's pro's and con's to everything. SLT does sacrifice 1/3 a stop of light. But that's the only con. And if you're using a fast lens, it's actually a really small con. There is zero impact on image quality. The A6000 and A77II have essentially the same sensor, and they got the exact same DXOMark score. Actually the A77II would score higher if you omit the ISO score, which is lower due to the mirror.

Because the mirror is locked in place, the AF performance and burst speed of SLT is unbeatable.
Just look at the A99II: performance comparable to a D5/1DX, but priced like a D810/5D. That's why I'm excited about that one. And I don't think Sony is pushing that tech to its limit, if they wanted to build a $5K+ SLT, it would be an absolute beast.

 

Losing 1/3-2/3 stops of light is a bit substantial in the kind of stuff I shoot, although it'd be a non-issue with say an A99II because it can go higher on the ISO range without looking bad than my 5D2 can.

 

Still, burst isn't something that I use a lot (or at all) so it'd be as good as any other full frame body :P

 

Nice to see Sony straying from the traditional ways though, and even better seeing them succeed. Canikon are way too conservative these days.

   
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Anyone have any thoughts on the A99II?
Looks like it makes my A77II obsolete in every way except price. Even the extra reach of the crop sensor is almost completely negated by the 42 meg sensor. I'll probably be picking one up once they start hitting the used market.

I think its the A-mount camera everyone wanted for a few years now... but its probably the last one, its one last great hurrah for the system and its users before the A-mount dies. Don't get me wrong, I think its a lovely camera, but I'd honestly not waste my money on one unless I was one of the people with a huge investment in A mount glass...

The E-mount is Sony's future...for now..One big problem with the E-mount is you have a lot of Canikon people happily buying an A7-series to shoot on...with their Canikon glass or converted MF optics... Theres nothing "keeping" them with that investment

As for Canon and Nikon's conservative nature (IE not coming out with a proper full mirrorless camera) to me both companies have been working towards it subtly, Canon's Dual Pixel AF and STM/Nano-USM and Nikon introducing the Electromagnetic Diaphragm lenses to its lineup for instance... Theres a reason for this, they're building the technology and system out so when they drop a mirrorless A7-rival there will be PLENTY of lenses to use in addition to dedicated optics, and they will work flawlessly

Sony has had a lot of teething to get the E-mount to its current point, and even then I have a lot of complaints towards it (Namely how many more 50mm and 24-70 lenses can you make Sony? Why no 24-105?)

Canon wasn't the first to make an autofocus SLR, Nikon wasn't either. Minolta's 7000 was the first on the market... Look where they ended up

Someone needs to actually compete with the A7 however, Im tired of the Sony monopoly
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I don't know whether the E-mount's compatibility with Canon and Nikon lenses is bad for Sony...Especially the over-sold AF capability with EF lenses.

A huge % of their A7R & A7S adopters would not be buying them if it wasn't for that compatibility, and if it wasn't for them getting started into the E-mount, there would ZERO excuse for them to even consider buying more E-mount lenses as those became available over time. There would be ZERO hype about the A7 line outside of reviews, and the #1 weapon of Sony's in this battle was the hype.

Sure, they make good cameras, but IMHO with the lens availability they had a couple of years ago, they would have been nowhere close to the market penetration they have today.
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Not to digress from Sony, but comparing specs on DXOMark was an eye opener for me. Even a "measly" $800 Nikon D5300 from 2013 beats Canon's $3500 2016 flagship in terms of dynamic range. Not sure how I feel about that as someone heavily invested in Canon.
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