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I looked into getting a camera for quite a while before I purchased. The other contender for my money was the Fujifilm FinePix S9600.

The S9600 can be had cheaper than the FZ50 and I have now come to believe that it is probably the better all-rounder, in that it is cheaper, it's only about 1 mega-pixel less, as far as I can tell it has a superior CCD, it's zoom range is only 1.3x less than the FZ50, all in all, it seems to take much crisper, less noisy pictures, right out of the camera, with little to no post production required.

The S9600 shoots in RAW as well as JPEG and if I had my chance again, I'd probably opt for it instead of the FZ50. The FZ50's glass is great, probably better than the than the S9600, but the sensor is far less noisy on the S9600 and it helps a lot.

When I got the FZ50 I bought it based on the specification. At the time of purchase, it had the best spec available for a non-slr, in terms of quality of lens, mega-pixel count, zoom and functionality. It allows you full manual, or full auto modes and pretty much any combination of the both you like. Without going into too much detail, it's a pretty well spec'ed piece of non-slr kit. I was seduced by this and paid little attention to those who claimed it's sensor was too noisy, or too small for the 10.1 mega-pixel job.

It's true, that when you get to know the FZ50 well enough (I'm still not quite there as you can see) you can compensate for it's one real shortcoming (noise) and, with the right software and plenty of patience and some hard work, produce images that are of a pretty high standard for non-slr. But to be fair, I'd rather be out in the field, taking pictures, than stuck in front of a PC editing them.

If I were you, I'd seriously consider the Fujifilm-FinePix-S9600 as an upgrade, over the FZ50. It's cheaper than the FZ50 and a heck of a lot cheaper than DSLR, but it's a great all rounder, that produces crisp, clear photos. Just check out this review for it. It's really a great little camera.

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HA, with your eye you would really benefit from a DSLR. I don't mean that condescendingly either, it's just that a DSLR will limit the amount of post editing you do. And with a DSLR sensor, you won't have to worry about compensating for noise as much.
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i think i will hold off on buying a camera for a while this camera i have right now i am kind of attached, and it seems to produce good quality pic and every thing u guys have seen on here from my cam believe or not has only beed resized in photo shop nothing else. so I am gonna save up for some pretty slr glass (evolt it looks awful sexy at a good price). but the thing is i can't even use my s700 to potential yet i keep finding new ways to make my pics goodlooking every day
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HA, with your eye you would really benefit from a DSLR. I don't mean that condescendingly either, it's just that a DSLR will limit the amount of post editing you do. And with a DSLR sensor, you won't have to worry about compensating for noise as much.
Yeah, in terms of all the effort I put in to RAW development and post production, I too have come to the conclusion that DSLR would be of great benefit. I've seen shots from DSLRs at ISO1600 that have less noise in the them than the FZ50 does at ISO200 in some conditions... The sensors in DSLRs are just much better quality than those in non-slrs in general, so you can use high ISOs without having to deal with noise issues to anywhere near the extent of non-slrs.

To be fair, I can shoot everything at ISO100 or 200 and still get good and occasional fairly great shots, if I'm prepared to use low shutter speeds. Fortunately the FZ50 has really great image stabilisation and in mode2, it's tough to get blur from camera-shake, so even with a 1/2 second shutter speed, wide-angle handheld shots are not out of the question. In fact, I can even get pretty reliable blur free handheld shots at full zoom as low as 1/4 of a second. If I want to make sure I wont get blur I can just take a tripod along and use that. Of course, all this only helps so much and ideally, higher ISOs are the only solution to low light, but as long as I'm prepared to work on it, I can make use of ISO400 if I have to, although to be fair it's not great and above ISO400 isn't really usable for everything.

Incidentally, I have recently undertaken a little test to determine which ISO levels I can actually use. I determined that, at fairly low light levels (one 60W "energy saver" light bulb three metres (about 9.8ft) away), I can get away with up to ISO400 with moderate noise reduction, without loosing too many details. I did take pictures with JPEG at the various ISO levels and in-camera noise reduction settings as well, but they were under-exposed, so I haven't shown them.

Have a look (all images shot in RAW, processed, then run through noise reduction software at moderate levels):

Oh, also, don't expect the fridge-magnet hippo's face to be in focus, I wasn't focusing the camera on it, but on the writing, which is why the words are much sharper than the face .

This is the full image (scaled down to about 20%) showing the context of the crops.



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ISO100 (100% CROP) [Moderate (PC Software) Noise Filtering]



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ISO200 (100% CROP) [Moderate (PC Software) Noise Filtering]



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ISO400 (100% CROP) [Moderate (PC Software) Noise Filtering]



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ISO800 (100% CROP) [Moderate (PC Software) Noise Filtering]



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ISO1600 (100% CROP) [Moderate (PC Software) Noise Filtering]



As you can see, at 100% the noise starts to show it's ugly face at ISO400 (even after moderate, default filtering) and from there on it's extremely evident. I used the default settings on my noise reduction software (with a little sharpening) and with no doubt I could have done a better job of the filtration manually, than the default settings did. However, using default image profiling and default filtration settings is quick, taking around 60 seconds an image for an experienced user. If I had wanted a better result and filtered manually, I could of spent anything up to 15 minutes an image, but certainly around 4 or 5 minutes on average.

With the FZ50, it's a trade off between time and battling the noise, whilst saving as much detail as possible. If you have the time and don't mind being limited to ISO400 as a realistic maximum, you can get the results, but otherwise it's going to be tough to get anything looking that great, even at ISO100 or 200. I've taken about 500 shots with the FZ50 so far and in all that time, I've only come across about 25 images that would not have benefited from post-production noise reduction.

Having said all that, if you put the effort in, you can get some very nice results.

I would love a DSLR, but I just don't have the funds available atm. I'm going to have to wait it out with the FZ50 for at least another six months before I'll be in the position to think about spending the kind of cash involved in moving up to DSLR. In the mean time though, I'll keep on practising and trying to get better at photography and when I finally do get a DSLR, I'll really appreciate the absence of the necessity of hours of post production work .

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Edited by ecoyd1 - 3/24/14 at 10:14am
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ya, thats one of the main reasons i want a d200/d300 for noise, shutter speed and white balance control, i shoot fully manual about 90% of the time and the white balance control with the higher end SLRs is so much nicer then my d70s
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Here is another shot from a few weeks ago:



The bird has nested and the eggs have hatched. The babies are a few days old, so when I get some time this week I will try to take some careful shots of them.
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With my d300, there is literally no noise at ISO 3200(!) when shooting in good light. Even in low light, it is barley noticeable.

Have any of you tried lightroom?
My goodness, I just had a look at prices and the D300 body alone cost almost 4x as much as the FZ50 does now online in the UK. Just the body...

I have no doubt from reading some of the spec that the D300 is a really great camera that, with regards to still image capture, blows the FZ50 cleanly out of the water; it's not even in the same league. But x4 as much for just the body? Then, I suppose you'll need a few lenses? Macro, telephoto, wide-angle? How much do they cost each? In the UK, I could be looking at spending in total, perhaps 10x as much as the FZ50 now costs, to get the D300 and some half decent lenses... I just don't have that kind of spare cash, lol.

I don't suppose (for future reference) you could recommend a DSLR that isn't quite as brilliant as the D300, but doesn't cost quite as much either? Something that perhaps comes with a few lenses? You'd be looking at spending around £1000 in the UK for the D300 body alone; I'd be looking to spend, maybe £750 for a body and lenses if possible. Perhaps that's unrealistic? I'd at least want a macro lens and a telephoto lens and maybe something that would produce nice wide-angle shots as well, with a body.

Any suggestions would be welcome .

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unfortunately macro lenses are EXPENSIVE, sorry, i will only be using nikon for examples because i am much more familiar with them then other brands.
but a nikon macro lens is around 900 bucks
http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/541535902.htm
you would be better with something like a medium wide angle moderate zoom
http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/sto...&itemID=177765
and get a macro adapter for the end of the lens (yes i realize it degrades quality, but i would rather it then 900 bucks)
and then snag a d40 on top of that.

even an entry level DSLR is going to give you much more control and better results then a high end fixed lens camera, keep your eye out at local camera shops for a used SLR is there is a significant price drop as well.
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My goodness, I just had a look at prices and the D300 body alone cost almost 4x as much as the FZ50 does now online in the UK. Just the body...

I have no doubt from reading some of the spec that the D300 is a really great camera that, with regards to still image capture, blows the FZ50 cleanly out of the water; it's not even in the same league. But x4 as much for just the body? Then, I suppose you'll need a few lenses? Macro, telephoto, wide-angle? How much do they cost each? In the UK, I could be looking at spending in total, perhaps 10x as much as the FZ50 now costs, to get the D300 and some half decent lenses... I just don't have that kind of spare cash, lol.

I don't suppose (for future reference) you could recommend a DSLR that isn't quite as brilliant as the D300, but doesn't cost quite as much either? Something that perhaps comes with a few lenses? You'd be looking at spending around £1000 in the UK for the D300 body alone; I'd be looking to spend, maybe £750 for a body and lenses if possible. Perhaps that's unrealistic? I'd at least want a macro lens and a telephoto lens and maybe something that would produce nice wide-angle shots as well, with a body.

Any suggestions would be welcome .

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£750 will get you a great DSLR with a lens! You could start with a Nikon D80 or Canon 450D body, either of which would set you back £400 or so. For a lens, you could easily have enough left over for a 50mm prime (or macro, depending on which is more important) and a good "walk around" zoom lens both for approximately £300 or so. That would leave enough left over for an extra battery, case and a UV filter, polarizer.

www.dpreview.com and www.dcresource.com are great sights for reviews and pricing.

Go for SLR, you won't regret it!
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