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Here are some more hummingbird pictures from yesterday:

Wow. Really nice shots. Love this one especially. Really nice.

I was just thinking, how often do you guys with DSLRs use ISOs above 800. That is to say, how often do you use ISO1600, 3200 and 6400? I would guess that, in the majority of shots taken, the most common range to use would be ISO80 to ISO800?

Just to give me a rough idea, if you wouldn't mind, what proportion of your shorts would you say you use ISOs above 800 on?

Hey, GoneTomorrow, I'm looking forward to those macro shots man . Good luck with the bug hunting .

Thanks guys!

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I was just thinking, how often do you guys with DSLRs use ISOs above 800. That is to say, how often do you use ISO1600, 3200 and 6400? I would guess that, in the majority of shots taken, the most common range to use would be ISO80 to ISO800?

Just to give me a rough idea, if you wouldn't mind, what proportion of your shorts would you say you use ISOs above 800 on?

Hey, GoneTomorrow, I'm looking forward to those macro shots man . Good luck with the bug hunting .

Thanks guys!

Highly-Annoyed
Well to answer honestly, this is going to be completley different for each person. Since I do most of my photography for my school which includes mostly sports, I would say 50% im either at 800 or above. This includes evening/night football or other games (where they dont like to turn the lights on...) and other sports our crappy light gym. But, since most of our prints are not going to be bigger than an 8x10, I rarely worry about the noise.

Hopes this helps.
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I'm a total newb to cameras- I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ30. Any opinions on it?

Also, I want to try to take better shots overall, anyone have suggestions for websites I can go to in order to learn how to take better pictures? Specifically, I want to take better macro shots (The Lumix doesn't have interchangeable lenses :\\) and open-air (scenery) shots.

As far as processing goes, what applications do you guys use?
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Website to learn: this thread (lol) or photo.net. I have been reading photo.net for about 4 years now and have learned everything from there. I would say its the OCN equivalent to photography.

Post processing: Lightroom for processing hundreds/thousands of images from a shoot. It organizes everything very well. Its also $$. For more perticular things, I use photoshop CS3, which is also $$, but very worth it when you learn to use it. For the beginning photographer, I would say just start with an older version of photoshop which can be had for cheap these days.

To learn the basics of photography, I think its best to just pick up a book and read it. Then just practice and practice.

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Wow. Really nice shots. Love this one especially. Really nice.

I was just thinking, how often do you guys with DSLRs use ISOs above 800. That is to say, how often do you use ISO1600, 3200 and 6400? I would guess that, in the majority of shots taken, the most common range to use would be ISO80 to ISO800?

Just to give me a rough idea, if you wouldn't mind, what proportion of your shorts would you say you use ISOs above 800 on?

Hey, GoneTomorrow, I'm looking forward to those macro shots man . Good luck with the bug hunting .

Thanks guys!

Highly-Annoyed
I have a gnawing habit of using as low of an ISO as possible, which is a habit carried over from when I used point and shoots. I will use 800 ISO when necessary but tend to avoid 1600 ISO as it tends to lose detail at that point. However with NeatImage and Digital Photo Professional I can turn out a noise free 800 ISO shot.



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I'm a total newb to cameras- I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ30. Any opinions on it?

Also, I want to try to take better shots overall, anyone have suggestions for websites I can go to in order to learn how to take better pictures? Specifically, I want to take better macro shots (The Lumix doesn't have interchangeable lenses and open-air (scenery) shots.

As far as processing goes, what applications do you guys use?

The Lumix FZ ultra zooms are very decent cameras, Highly-Annoyed here uses an FZ50 and you can see how well he does with it. However the big complaint with the Panasonics are it's lowlight performance and overly aggressive noise reduction. But I had an FZ50 once myself so I know what great shots it can produce!

I learn a lot from this site:
http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/


For editing I use Canon's Digital Photo Professional, but that's just for RAW editing. For JPEG editing I use NeatImage, Noise Ninja for noise reduction, and Paint Shop Pro 9 for everything else.
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Hey, GoneTomorrow, I'm looking forward to those macro shots man . Good luck with the bug hunting .

Thanks guys!

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Well, I only have a few macros from today. Nothing to write home about. Using a macro lens is rather difficult. Even with a monopod and bright sunlight, it's hard to keep a steady shot at high magnification:




I went waterfall hunting today in the woods as well to try to get some ND silky water shots, but the stream was a bit low so there wasn't much water to work with:



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If you shot the last two in RAW try an HDR or 2.
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my answer to highly annoyeds question, i try to shoot as low of an ISO as possible, but i prefer to do landscapes, and slong exposures, and when doing a long exposure if im using a tripod anyway, might as well shoot in as low as an ISO as i can.
my friend wants me to start doing some of biking when we go out, so that may change once we get some nice weather around here tho.
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Well to answer honestly, this is going to be completley different for each person. Since I do most of my photography for my school which includes mostly sports, I would say 50% im either at 800 or above. This includes evening/night football or other games (where they dont like to turn the lights on...) and other sports our crappy light gym. But, since most of our prints are not going to be bigger than an 8x10, I rarely worry about the noise.

Hopes this helps.
Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess, if you're going to shoot indoor sports, or sports in general where you want to freeze the action, you need fast shutter speeds which high ISOs facilitate in low light. But even for you, who shoots a fair bit of sport, it's still only ISO800+ around 50% of the time.

Thanks for helping .

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I have a gnawing habit of using as low of an ISO as possible, which is a habit carried over from when I used point and shoots. I will use 800 ISO when necessary but tend to avoid 1600 ISO as it tends to lose detail at that point. However with NeatImage and Digital Photo Professional I can turn out a noise free 800 ISO shot.

The Lumix FZ ultra zooms are very decent cameras, Highly-Annoyed here uses an FZ50 and you can see how well he does with it. However the big complaint with the Panasonics are it's lowlight performance and overly aggressive noise reduction. But I had an FZ50 once myself so I know what great shots it can produce!

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http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/

For editing I use Canon's Digital Photo Professional, but that's just for RAW editing. For JPEG editing I use NeatImage, Noise Ninja for noise reduction, and Paint Shop Pro 9 for everything else.
Yeah, I tend to use as low as ISO as possible but it's more from necessity than habit with me atm .

I'm looking at some DSLRs and while I still love the Pentax K20D in terms of spec, low ISO noise, features etc, I'm looking at others too, including the Cannon EOS 450D (Rebel XSi? in the US?) which has almost perfectly clean ISO1600 capability, but no ability to go to 3200.

I too can recommend Neat Image and I've heard Noise Ninja is good too for noise control, post-processing, but shooting RAW is also important I've found.

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Well, I only have a few macros from today. Nothing to write home about. Using a macro lens is rather difficult. Even with a monopod and bright sunlight, it's hard to keep a steady shot at high magnification:
My goodness. That Macro in particular is gorgeous! What crisp detail and colour! Great Stuff!

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my answer to highly annoyeds question, i try to shoot as low of an ISO as possible, but i prefer to do landscapes, and slong exposures, and when doing a long exposure if im using a tripod anyway, might as well shoot in as low as an ISO as i can.
my friend wants me to start doing some of biking when we go out, so that may change once we get some nice weather around here tho.
Right, I guess it is the subject matter and lighting that really determines the ISO useage. I'm just trying to get a feeling for how necessary ISOs above 800 would be and I'd imagine based on what you guys have said, for me, up to 800 would be enough, with the very occasional 1600 and 3200 if the light conditions demanded.

I'm still quite keen on the Pentax K20D to be honest. I can't find anything else that has the same kind of spec, with the same features for around the same price. It's got such good reviews as well!

Thanks for the help and advice!

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The 450D is the XSi. If you have the money, do pick it up. However it's really not drastically different from the 400D (XTi). The big differences are CCD resolution (10 vs 12 MP), spot metering (the XTi only has partial metering) and the image processor (DIGIC II vs. DIGIC III).

I did a lot of research on the XSi, because I considered upgrading my XTi, but almost every review I read said that it wasn't worth it if you already had and XTi. The 100% crops at various ISOs, even 1600, look nearly identical. The XSI barely edges out the XTi at 1600 ISO.

If you have the budget to get the Pentax K20D, also consider the Canon EOS 40D. That's the camera I wish I could have gotten, but it was out of my price range. I haven't found any in depth reviews on the Pentax yet, so I would definitely wait for one from dpreview.com or dcresource.com before buying. I know that previous Pentax DSLRs had rather a few criticisms.
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