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All I see are images which can be reproduced by Canon lenses.
You're entitled to your opinion. I didn't think you'd post any images.
    
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but you seem to be making it out to be a unique feature to Nikkors here.
Nowhere in that statement does it say that those properties are unique to nikkor lenses does it?? I'm simply stating that most nikkor lenses are known for outstanding sharpness, color rendition, and contrast. Images from the longer prime nikkors are also known to exhibit an almost 3D effect. This is just plain efficient optical design and fabrication.
    
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Nowhere in that statement does it say that those properties are unique to nikkor lenses does it?? I'm simply stating that most nikkor lenses are known for outstanding sharpness, color rendition, and contrast. Images from the longer prime nikkors are also known to exhibit an almost 3D effect. This is just plain efficient optical design and fabrication.
I don't see this 3D effect at all in the images.

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You're entitled to your opinion. I didn't think you'd post any images.
I never knew you were expecting me to post pics. If you really want me to I can go round up a bunch of sample pics on POTN.
Edited by Marin - 8/13/09 at 5:34pm
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I don't see this 3D effect at all in the images.



I never knew you were expecting me to post pics. If you really want me to I can go round up a bunch of sample pics on POTN.
Don't bother Marin, I've dignified this Pi%%ing contest enough.

Smug away.
    
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uhmmm i really dont want this to end as a nikon vs canon thing as this goes back for years, but like I said before each system is great, but no lens offers more "pop" than the other. This is very subjective and purely dependant of the shooter and multiple variables.

I do know that for a fact most of my professional friends (10+ of them with 100% income out of photography) stick to canon or are swapping to Canon due to the lens selection,IQ, and availability. At the same time we agree that at the current moment Nikon has a better sensor technology and offer excellent bang for the $.

I do feel that the assumption of "pop" is personal and not correct, and point can be validate it as whenever I go out with these guys or by myself. I see Whites dominating the field. Also most of the stunning works captured by NG and SI have been by Canon.

Competition is a beauty and we are the ones that win here as it drive for better equipment and pricing.

Sorry Rick, but I can't agree with you on this one as I shoot both camps on weekly basis and definetely do not see the "pop" being referred here. Stunning images come out of both systems or lenses for that matter.

Law of economics explains that prices goes up when supply is low and demand is high. Nikon has always struggled with lens and body production, thus price is high. Not because of fufu coatings or more "pop".

Canon uses Fluorite on their lenses and prices are good 20-30% lower not because lens offers less pop, but because supply is much higher.

Not argueying though as we are all friends here.

BTW off topic here. Got offered by a friend to do a shoot with him in NY for a baseball game. Still deciding if I should take the week off, but excited as hell.
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uhmmm i really dont want this to end as a nikon vs canon thing as this goes back for years, but like I said before each system is great, but no lens offers more "pop" than the other. This is very subjective and purely dependant of the shooter and multiple variables.

I do know that for a fact most of my professional friends (10+ of them with 100% income out of photography) stick to canon or are swapping to Canon due to the lens selection,IQ, and availability. At the same time we agree that at the current moment Nikon has a better sensor technology and offer excellent bang for the $.

I do feel that the assumption of "pop" is personal and not correct, and point can be validate it as whenever I go out with these guys or by myself. I see Whites dominating the field. Also most of the stunning works captured by NG and SI have been by Canon.

Competition is a beauty and we are the ones that win here as it drive for better equipment and pricing.

Sorry Rick, but I can't agree with you on this one as I shoot both camps on weekly basis and definetely do not see the "pop" being referred here. Stunning images come out of both systems or lenses for that matter.

Law of economics explains that prices goes up when supply is low and demand is high. Nikon has always struggled with lens and body production, thus price is high. Not because of fufu coatings or more "pop".

Canon uses Fluorite on their lenses and prices are good 20-30% lower not because lens offers less pop, but because supply is much higher.

Not argueying though as we are all friends here.

BTW off topic here. Got offered by a friend to do a shoot with him in NY for a baseball game. Still deciding if I should take the week off, but excited as hell.
Well I can see your "pro" friends switching for availability and pricing, But IQ.. uh uh.

Most of the stunning works in NG, Last time I looked Frans Lanting shoots Nikon, I'll check the others.

SI?? Have you been to a pro football (US) game lately?? I have season Bears tickets and routinely see more black than white on any given Sunday and especially at night games when high iso is a factor. You say you see whites dominating the field. Does that mean they provide better images?? Do you see any Leica optics in the field. Is this simply a question of economics? cause if it is, then white it will be. I make my purchasing decisions based on IQ and what I can afford. I can't afford Leica. Taking the money I spent on my Nikon gear and converting it to Canon, I'm rollin in all kinds of prime equipment. But to me IQ is more important. And I honestly realize better IQ with Nikon optics, case closed.

For me, Canon is a better economic decision, Nikon is a better decision with regard to image quality and the oh so important ergonomics and burst speed shen it comes to sports and wildlife.

But as you know, I'm trying my best to find something I can live with on the white side in the 600 - 800 mm range. I refuse to pay nikon's tarif at that point. I guess I'll just have to spend more time in PP.
    
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Yeah, those pics almost do look like they're 3D...

Moots, I'm guessing those are both AI-S lenses? Which body were you mainly planning to use them with?
The 35mm is AI or AI-S, the only way I know of telling would be to check the serial against a database.

The 50mm f/1.4 pre-dates AI, it's known as Non-AI. This one is pre-modified, otherwise it wouldn't fit the newer bodies (somewhere around 1973 to present).

I'm guessing the 50mm was made from 1966 to 1973, although it's very possible it's not, as the zoom range and front ring markings as well as serial number do not match a single (but rather 3 different) line(s) of the 50mm Nikkor-S.

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I don't see the pop.
http://www.carolina-sportsphotograph...91957971_2YiLk

Notice the sharp edge of the baseball player vs the blurred background?

I think that is what nuke is talking about.

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Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but you seem to be making it out to be a unique feature to Nikkors here.
He's saying Nikon glass has that, not excluding other glass, but that Nikon does have that.
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http://www.carolina-sportsphotograph...91957971_2YiLk

Notice the sharp edge of the baseball player vs the blurred background?

I think that is what nuke is talking about.

If that's so then it's definitely not something special that Nikkor lenses can do.
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Keep in mind that the Nikon applies LOTS more of in Camera PP in comparison to Canon. In Canon you have to PP those RAWs. This might give the ilusion of having better pics when in fact it all comes down to the shooter.
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http://www.carolina-sportsphotograph...91957971_2YiLk

Notice the sharp edge of the baseball player vs the blurred background?

I think that is what nuke is talking about.
That's one of them.
There's an element of experience that one acquires over time. I've been shooting various brands of equipment for 40 years now. You finally reach a saturation point, but some aspects remain very clear.
    
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