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Define "modern".

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse10/

Or is that not a SLR because it doesn't have a mirror?
That camera is from 2001 and hardly typical, back when DSLRs were still in the "bleeding edge of technology" era (would you call a Pentium IV "modern"? This is technology, not art). From my understanding, an SLR is a camera that uses a reflex mirror and pentaprism for through-the-lens composing and uses a single lens, hence the term Single-Lens Reflex (cf. Twin-Lens Reflex cameras). That camera does have a pentaprism of sorts ("beam splitter?") and a mirror (at the top), so who knows on that one.

So yes, I think if we're being pedantic, then a SLR properly should have a reflex mirror and pentaprism.

So how about most modern DSLRs have interchangeable lenses? In the film SLRs, there were plenty of fixed lens SLRs, but not with DSLRs, save for oddity that you posted.

But that leaves the question of what to call cameras like the Micro Four-Thirds cameras that are out, the Panasonic G1/GH1 and the Olympus Pen EP-1.

DPReview doesn't call them SLRs, but they don't say whether they technically not DSLRs:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcg1/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcgh1/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusep1/

But they're definitely Interchangeable Lens cameras, but not DSLRs according to the definition.
Edited by GoneTomorrow - 8/19/09 at 1:33pm
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Four thirds still has a mirror changing the direction of light into a prism for viewing.

Micro four thirds look like fancy P&S cameras. I think without a mirror or prism, it's no longer a SLR. Whether or not the camera has interchangeable lenses is irrelevant.

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Four thirds still has a mirror changing the direction of light into a prism for viewing.

Micro four thirds look like fancy P&S cameras. I think without a mirror or prism, it's no longer a SLR. Whether or not the camera has interchangeable lenses is irrelevant.

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Micro Four-Thirds is completely mirrorless, only electronic viewing, so I agree that it's not an SLR. The whole point of an SLR is that your seeing the same light that comes through the lens, not an electronic rendering!

I still like the Olympus PEN simply for the novelty of it, though I'd never pay what they're asking for it.
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OK, does micro 4/3 have that pop??
    
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OK, does micro 4/3 have that pop??
Maybe the one you get from the expression on your face after you get one and realize that you actually paid $700 for it.


On an unrelated note, Canon has (among many) two new P&S cameras coming out, the G11 and the S90:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0908/09081908canong11.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0908/09...s90handson.asp

What's interesting is that they actually decreased the sensor resolution to 10MP to allow for better high ISO performance. Hard to believe, it will be interesting to see if it delivers.
Edited by GoneTomorrow - 8/19/09 at 2:44pm
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Finding all kinds of interesting camera related things today. Check out this Nikon "lens," the last word in close-up macro photography:



The Nikon Fabre Photo EX, with magnifications of 20x-66x, mounts on any Nikon DSLR. It's $1300, actually not as expensive as I thought it would be.
Edited by GoneTomorrow - 8/19/09 at 2:51pm
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Kudos to Canon for not playing the MP game further with their G series.

Although what would be next? Their 21MP sensor? They'd probably have to upgrade their optics as well.

If I have the money and need for it, I'd be all over the G9/10/11.
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isn't the Fabre made for like petri dish macros?
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isn't the Fabre made for like petri dish macros?
Presumably
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Kind of surprised in reading the specs of the G11, that they didn't add a HD recording capability, or even a 640 @ 60 fps.

Still....I want.
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