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seems like it was more comfortable and fit in his hand better.

I tried both of those and the sony a300 and just fell in love with the sony and got the a300.
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yep, the ergonomics is all personal preference, i tried a d70s, XTI, a300, k10d, and an olympus model (forget what one).
after trying them all i knew i was getting the d70s or the pentax k10d as i really couldn't stand any of the other ones.
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I thank you for the help but your a rotten bastard also you know that
thought I was just about set and then you bring up the d80 and now I'm really more confused.

all in all though I agree it's just time to head to the cammy store and hold them and go through their menus and just play with them for a moment. if nothing else 14 day return policy I believe.

if you don't mind me asking though why did you choose the nikon?
HA! Well the D80 is old... They are coming with a replacment soon... XD

Why Nikon?

1- Ergonomics

2- Menus were better / faster

3- LENSES! With my D60 I can use ANY Nikon F-Mount lens! (Well some fisheyes dont work etc.. ) But I have an old pre-ai (Pre 1977) 50mm lens that I LOVE and has amazing image quality- which I got for $40....

4- Lenses- Nikon has better quality cheap lenses than canon (Kit lens is decent, Canon kit is crap from what I can tell. Friend with canon agrees...)

5- Bit cheaper for me. And Image Stabilized lens in the KIT!

Plus the image quality- canon is great too though
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ecoyd1 (and anybody else if you know), perhaps you can help me again!

I may have a chance to get the D700, instead of the D300. There's an offer on at one of the UK online stores which is a buy now, pay in a year's time offer.

This would give me the time to save enough to pay for the D700, which I couldn't really do if I wanted to pay up-front now.

I have to ask though, if I opted for the D700, what would be in the impact for lenses? The D700 is a full frame sensor camera, so I'd need lenses for full-frame. Do they cost more, is there less choice, are there any noteworthy lenses you are aware of for full-frame?

As far as I can see, the D700 is essentially a D300, with a few extras from the D3 and a full frame sensor, which I think is also from the D3. So excluding the full-frame advantage it's at least just as good as the D300 and most probably a bit better.

What do you think? D300, or D700 and what about the impact for lenses?

Thanks!

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there is some know issues with the majority of the Nikon lens lineup with the new full frame.

The lenses were designed for DX sensor, so Nikon is now starting to re-design their lenses the way that Canon did with the "L" lineup

I have handled the D3 and the files out of the camera are great.

If you shoot wildlife stick with the D300, if you shoot anything else, you would love the D700.

Right now I use a 1DMarkII for wildlife and looking to get a 5D for everything else.

Hope it helps
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what makes the d700 different then the d300 for wildlife vs other types of shooting?
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Having a full frame sensor you loose the 1.5x multiplier, and the full frame is just better suited for regular type photography.
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Edited by ecoyd1 - 3/24/14 at 10:02am
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not here to confused people but Nikon HAS confirmed that some of their lenses do have a compatability issue with their new FX sensor.

The most noticeable issue right now is with the 7-2vr. I handle and work with most bodies in the field today, and from working with the D3 I can tell you that it produces great files but nothing stellar with that lens. Very very soft at corners.

Nikon will go full force on the lenses to promote their new FX sensor, so I would suggest you go for the D700.

Now if you had the money or were making money of it you would know that 2 bodies is the way to go; one crop and one full frame
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Thanks for your responses guys .

I have slept on it and to be honest I'm still somewhat ambivalent about the choice.

There are a couple of things that worry me about the D700 and that do put me off, plus the new issue brought up by equetefue regarding lens compatibility issues.

1. The D700 offers 95% coverage through the Viewfinder, while the D300 offers 100%. I'm not sure how much of an impact the 5% difference would make to be honest, but I know 100% is better.

2. The D700's auto-focus points are pretty tightly bunched in the centre of the sensor, where the D300's are more spread out. This is more of a concern to me as I have read some user feed back that says that this makes some types of photography more difficult. As I want to get into as many different types as possible (starting with landscape & portrait) I think this may be a hindrance.





I know you can focus-lock and recompose, but I'm worried about the practicalities of doing this with only a few seconds to take a shot. For example, if I'm taking a macro of an insect, by the time I've focused, locked focus, recomposed and pressed the shutter release, the damn thing will have flown or crawled away... With wider spread AF points, I can select one at the point I want (on a thirds intersection for example) before I take any shots, then just place this over the insect, AF and shoot. This would save me a few seconds in which the bugs may have left and believe me, they don't often like to hang around for you to snap them.

Also, I've read that fashion photography is also an area where having wider spread AF points is a big help and although I don't see myself doing that any time soon (hehe) I also don't rule it out as I want to try everything if possible.

There are a couple of things that really draw me to the D700 though and they all relate to the sensor.

1. The sensor is still 12 Megapixel, the same as the D300, but these 12MPs are spread over the area of a full frame sensor. This means that the "photosites" (I believe that's the correct term) are larger (as they have to cover a larger physical area) which means even lower noise than the D300. Apparently the smaller and more densely packed the photosites on a sensor, the greater the noise. This means not only that the D700 offers up to ISO25,600, but that lower ISO levels are more noise free. Apparently, ISO1600 is essentially noise-free on the D700, which uses the D3's sensor, where there is noise on the D300 at that level, albeit pretty low compared to other DSLRs at that price point.

2. Having full-frame means (as has already been mentioned) being able to use ultra wide-angle lenses, at their intended focal length. This means that a 12-24mm lens, really is 12-24mm, while on a crop-frame sensor, this same lens actually produces a field of view equivalent to 18-36mm. Having this extra width is an advantage for landscape photography, which I do a fair bit of when I've got a camera.

Finance wise, the initial investment looks like this:

D300: £1000 (approx $2000 USD)
Lenses to start: £830 (approx $1660 USD)
Speedlights: £360 (approx $720 USD)
Necessary Extras: £320 (approx $640 USD)
Total: £2510 (approx $5020 USD)

D700: £0 (pay £2000 (approx $4000 USD) later)
Lenses to start: £1830 (appox $3660 USD) (not sure which lenses for this camera)
Speedlights: £360 (approx $720 USD)
Necessary Extras: £320 (approx $640 USD)
Total: £2510 (approx $5020 USD) (pay £2000 later, so real total £4510 (approx $9010 USD))

I just don't know which to opt for. Coming from the FZ50 super-zoom, either camera will be a massive step-up for me. ISO400 wasn't really usable on the FZ50, but both Nikons are fine up to ISO800. The D700 takes it even further without a hint of noise and the D300's noise (being more than D700) is easily manageable without loosing too much detail and it's noise is mostly of the more desirable "film grain" verity.

I'm still not decided. The D700 is even more expensive than the D300 (these prices are a lot to me) and although I know that the cost of manufacturing a full frame sensor considerably exceeds that of crop frame, I'm not sure I'm ready to spend, in total, £4500 ($9000 USD) on camera equipment. The D300 was at the very limits of my budget anyway...

I'll have to give it more thought guys. I'm tempted towards the D700, but I'm not sure how much I'm actually going to take advantage of what it offers, over and above what the D300 offers. I'm most definitely not a pro, so do I really need full frame? To be honest, it's only really this buy now, pay in a year's time offer that has sparked my interest in actually buying the D700. I had written it off as out of my price range previously... Hmmm.

Thanks for your input guys. Any additional advice is welcome!

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