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Comments/Suggestions? (My first build)
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E8400 Wolfdale EVGA 132-CK-NF79-A1 790i EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 2GB OCZ PLATINUM DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 8200.11 500GB Samsung 20x DVD±R Windows XP Professional Samsung 22" LCD 
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post #2 of 9
I'll start with DDR3 and lead into the rest from there.

DDR3 isn't worth the effort yet. Running on a 2:1 divider really isnt' a big performance improvement anyway, and DDR3 at 1333 Mhz isn't really useful at all. You will not see a significant performance improvement for the money you shell out to get DDR3 over, for instance, some Gskill DDR2 800/1066 which will clock up to 1100 if you want it to. Processors don't run high enough Front Side Bus right now to take advantage of DDR3.

If you decide to go DDR2 and save yourself $400 as I recommend, you can also save on the motherboard. The 790i Mobos are expensive and only take DDR3. You only have one graphics card, so I'd suggest getting an Intel chipset rather than Nvidia. Nvidia chipsets are buggier and overclock poorly. They're also really expensive. I would suggest a good P35 board, such as the ABIT IP35 PRO or a DFI product. They will run you $120-$150, rather than $300+ for a 790i, and you'll get just as good performance out of it. the only thing the 790i is good for is multiple Graphics Card solutions. Since you're paying a premium already to get 2 GPU's on -one- card, don't pay the same premium again for an SLI board.

I think the Wolfdale is a great choice (have one myself), although if you like you could get a Q9450 for two extra cores for only $100 with some of the money you saved above. It may or may not be worth it depending on whether or not:

1. You play games rather than doing design/engineering/modeling (Games = Wolfdale, Other = Yorkfield)
2. You intend to upgrade again within three years (If not, Yorkfield preferred).
3. You are going to overclock the system (If not, Yorkfield preferred).

I'm not going to comment on the graphics card except to say that the prices on those should come down hard and fast; it's way out of the price range right now for its performance.

I recognize these are money saving tips rather than performance improving tips, but you can save the $500 or whatever toward your next upgrade somewhere in the Nehalem generation.
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Wolfdale 8400@Stock, 1.1125 Vcore, 1.07 post droop Gigabyte GA-p35-DS3L 8800GT (EVGA) OCZ DDR2 1066 
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Seagate 7200.10 250gb Samsung IDE XP Home SP2B Hanns G 17' 
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Seagate 7200.10 250gb Samsung IDE XP Home SP2B Hanns G 17' 
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post #3 of 9
A hair over $2,000, excluding monitor.

The only point of discussion could be 4GB DDR2 v. 2GB DDR3, but that's a matter of opinion. I think this is a well thought-out and well balanced rig.

I like!

The comments of Schroedinger are valid indeed, but nevertheless, it's a great rig!
    
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E8400 @ 3.8 GHz DFI LANPARTY DK X38-T2R eVGA 8400GS 2GB Mushkin DDR2 800 (single stick) 
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post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by Schroedinger View Post
I'll start with DDR3 and lead into the rest from there.

DDR3 isn't worth the effort yet. Running on a 2:1 divider really isnt' a big performance improvement anyway, and DDR3 at 1333 Mhz isn't really useful at all. You will not see a significant performance improvement for the money you shell out to get DDR3 over, for instance, some Gskill DDR2 800/1066 which will clock up to 1100 if you want it to. Processors don't run high enough Front Side Bus right now to take advantage of DDR3.

If you decide to go DDR2 and save yourself $400 as I recommend, you can also save on the motherboard. The 790i Mobos are expensive and only take DDR3. You only have one graphics card, so I'd suggest getting an Intel chipset rather than Nvidia. Nvidia chipsets are buggier and overclock poorly. They're also really expensive. I would suggest a good P35 board, such as the ABIT IP35 PRO or a DFI product. They will run you $120-$150, rather than $300+ for a 790i, and you'll get just as good performance out of it. the only thing the 790i is good for is multiple Graphics Card solutions. Since you're paying a premium already to get 2 GPU's on -one- card, don't pay the same premium again for an SLI board.

I think the Wolfdale is a great choice (have one myself), although if you like you could get a Q9450 for two extra cores for only $100 with some of the money you saved above. It may or may not be worth it depending on whether or not:

1. You play games rather than doing design/engineering/modeling (Games = Wolfdale, Other = Yorkfield)
2. You intend to upgrade again within three years (If not, Yorkfield preferred).
3. You are going to overclock the system (If not, Yorkfield preferred).

I'm not going to comment on the graphics card except to say that the prices on those should come down hard and fast; it's way out of the price range right now for its performance.

I recognize these are money saving tips rather than performance improving tips, but you can save the $500 or whatever toward your next upgrade somewhere in the Nehalem generation.

Thanks for the great reply. I already built the system though. I should have mentioned that. The money wasn't really an issue since I set it aside for this purpose. I wanted a top of the line pc, as futureproof as possible.
My New Power PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400 Wolfdale EVGA 132-CK-NF79-A1 790i EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 2GB OCZ PLATINUM DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 8200.11 500GB Samsung 20x DVD±R Windows XP Professional Samsung 22" LCD 
PowerCase
Silverstone Decathlon 850 Watt Coolermaster Stacker 830 3rd Edition 
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My New Power PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400 Wolfdale EVGA 132-CK-NF79-A1 790i EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 2GB OCZ PLATINUM DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 8200.11 500GB Samsung 20x DVD±R Windows XP Professional Samsung 22" LCD 
PowerCase
Silverstone Decathlon 850 Watt Coolermaster Stacker 830 3rd Edition 
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post #5 of 9
Just take everything Schroedinger said and put it in my post.

An equally "powerful" rig could be obtained for 1/2 the price with the same performance. But keep that power supply! Sexy~
    
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post #6 of 9
Futureproof is non existant

I personally never build a rig to be 'futureproof'. It's often cheaper(!) to just do a full upgrade when the time comes. Right now, you could have saved yourself good money by going with DDR2/cheaper motherboard. And, when you want to upgrade (let's say next year), you'll likely want to go 8 or more GB of RAM, a new CPU, and a new video card. Which means that only the motherboard will be the remaining part.

But this is nitpicking. You made great choices, and you will enjoy this for a long time!
    
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E8400 @ 3.8 GHz DFI LANPARTY DK X38-T2R eVGA 8400GS 2GB Mushkin DDR2 800 (single stick) 
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post #7 of 9
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Well, I got my DDR3 Ram for $199 and I paid $349 for my Mobo. So maybe I spent $150 more by going with this as opposed to similarly performing DDR2? I think 150 bucks is worth knowing that I can use high performance DDR3 a year from now when its cheaper. While DDR3 1300 is only equal to high performance DDR2, DDR3 1800 and DDR3 2000 outperforms it. Especially once the they trim the timings down some more.
My New Power PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400 Wolfdale EVGA 132-CK-NF79-A1 790i EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 2GB OCZ PLATINUM DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 8200.11 500GB Samsung 20x DVD±R Windows XP Professional Samsung 22" LCD 
PowerCase
Silverstone Decathlon 850 Watt Coolermaster Stacker 830 3rd Edition 
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My New Power PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400 Wolfdale EVGA 132-CK-NF79-A1 790i EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 2GB OCZ PLATINUM DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 8200.11 500GB Samsung 20x DVD±R Windows XP Professional Samsung 22" LCD 
PowerCase
Silverstone Decathlon 850 Watt Coolermaster Stacker 830 3rd Edition 
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post #8 of 9
The only problem with that logic is that a year from now you'd likely want a new CPU, and a new mobo anyways to support that new CPU. A year is a long time...
    
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E8400 @ 3.8 GHz DFI LANPARTY DK X38-T2R eVGA 8400GS 2GB Mushkin DDR2 800 (single stick) 
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250GB WD SATA None Windows XP Pro 32-bit HP Pavilion f1703 
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post #9 of 9
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I see what you're saying but I'm the type of person that buys a pc once every 4 years or so. I figure I'm all set for a while.
My New Power PC
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400 Wolfdale EVGA 132-CK-NF79-A1 790i EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 2GB OCZ PLATINUM DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 8200.11 500GB Samsung 20x DVD±R Windows XP Professional Samsung 22" LCD 
PowerCase
Silverstone Decathlon 850 Watt Coolermaster Stacker 830 3rd Edition 
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My New Power PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400 Wolfdale EVGA 132-CK-NF79-A1 790i EVGA Geforce 9800 GX2 2GB OCZ PLATINUM DDR3 1333 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Seagate 8200.11 500GB Samsung 20x DVD±R Windows XP Professional Samsung 22" LCD 
PowerCase
Silverstone Decathlon 850 Watt Coolermaster Stacker 830 3rd Edition 
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