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Just thought i'd add to my pictures above: that prime run ended in a 9hr+ small fft so i got my q6600 to 3.6 stable. woot!

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Thinking the tapered edges might be to make it more ridgid
Seems logical, as a lot of the variation in IHS flatness seems due to warping of the hot IHS when they glue it down. Will need more examples to see if there is any real difference.

Hell, the tapered edged might only be there to save a tenth of a cent of metal on each chip...

Anyway, here is a decent shot of a tapered Q9450 (one that anandtech killed with excessive VTT). It clearly shows the vent just behind the white lettering (you can see the gap in the IHS adhesive; it's on all Intel chips, going back to the late P4s), as well as the dimple, which does seem to simply be a guide to orient the IHS correctly.



No real way to tell anything about the flatness from that pic, but it does look like it could be convex/domed.
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Looks they they ran that IHS through a wood chipper

I emailed Intel again, attached a pic this time and circled the hole in question.
Their response below, Pentium4
I think you're right, they're clueless.

I definitely think the different IHS design is a contributing factor to the large temp difference between cores.

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Hello John,

Thank you for contacting Intel(R) Technical Support.

I understand you have questions regarding the function of the hole in the integrated heat spreader for the Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 processor.

The function of the hole is to release pressure during the manufacturing process so that a sealed pocket of air is not left under the integrated heat spreader.

Regarding the tapered edges of the processor, they are designed that way so they can be properly handled through out the manufacturing process.

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Are all these Intel reps clueless?? Talking about tapered edge and P4
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Looks they they ran that IHS through a wood chipper

I emailed Intel again, attached a pic this time and circled the hole in question.
Their response below, Pentium4
I think you're right, they're clueless.

I definitely think the different IHS design is a contributing factor to the large temp difference between cores.
Grunion: That's terrible. The one support team on the planet that I would think has their act together would be intel but we all know what happens when you assume.

Depending on how much time you'd like to commit to this, I would do the following:

Contact Intel Investor Relations at:

Primary IR Contact
Investor Relations Manager
2200 Mission College Blvd.
RN5-24
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Phone: (408) 765-1480
Fax: (408) 765-1402


Don't go into the technical aspect at first but instead tell them that aside from being an enthusiast for state-of-the-art technology you're also intimately involved in the world of financial planning (you're not lieing since we all plan our finances ) and that one way you determine whether a company is a solid investment is their understanding of their own product (ask them if they agree whether this is a good measure and wait for their response).

Once they agree, tell them you are a long-time fan of their product, have an understanding of their prospectus and have recently considered taking on a medium-sized position of their current public offering (leave it at that and don't go into detail about number of shares, available liquididty, etc) but you would like for them to help you understand why this is the right way for you to go, then ask if that's ok.

Once they agree, explain your recent debauchle with technical support and also express that the fact that Intel's support team identified a cutting-edge product as one of their dinosaurs shakes your faith in their future.

They will try and pawn you off to tech support for them to deal with. Explain to them that at this point, your question isn't the original, now you want to know whether Intel can provide accurate information to the average consumer and satisfy your curiosity of what type of investment they are. End the statement with, I already purchased your cpu's so I own the technology, now I want to know whether I should put my financial faith in the future of intel as a company.

This should get them going in the right direction, if instead, they ask what they could do; answer that they could do a bit of leg-work and take an email you've composed with your issue to the proper level of technical understanding within their company.

Compose the email with pics (including the lapped pic so they can't tell you its a vent-hole - the dimple clearly disappears after enough material is removed).

OMG, I'm ranting, lol. I hope this helps.
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I just got a Q6600 with bevelled edges. My ide temps according to coretemp 0.97.1 are 56/56/61/61 iirc. this is at 1.52v BIOS, 1.488 actual.
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Fixed

Turns out it wasn't the IHS, it was my lumpy TRUE
Installed my lapped TRUE during my rebuilds, and wallah <-- IDK

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I have the tapered edges and my idle and load temps are the nearly the exact same for every core. Right now, they're 36c across the board.
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I've taken a good look at my two new E8400s (with the new tappered IHS) and I've noticed that the gap between the CPU substrate and the IHS (essentially the thickness of the adhesive used to hold the IHS down) has increased substantially over the old IHS design.

I'm not sure if this means that the new IHS has a larger gap between the core and the IHS, or if they simply reduced the distance between the the upper inside distance and the very very bottom edge of the IHS (perhaps to make mounting them easier?). If it's the former, that could [artially explain higher temps some people are seeing with the 45nm chips, and the frequently large differences betweet temps of each core. Just a rough hypothesis.

As far as Intel tech support, well I suspect they have engineers who know what they are talking about, then tech support who can answer basice questions, but really cannot match the practical knowledge of enthusiasts who have spent a significant amount of time handling (and dismantling) the parts.
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Fixed

Turns out it wasn't the IHS, it was my lumpy TRUE
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Glad to hear all worked out.
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60 GB Agility 3 (OS Drive) Hitachi 3TB (TV Buffer and Recording) LG Blu-Ray Burner Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorCaseAudioAudio
58" Samsung Plasma DH101 Polk CS2 (Center) Polk Monitor 70 (FL/FR) 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Polk Monitor 60 (RL/RR) Polk Monitor 40 (Surround L/R) Definitive Technology Supercube 2000 Onkyo HT-RC360 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
T9550 G51VX nVidea 260m 4GB DDR2 1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
120 GB Agility 3 (OS/Programs Drive) 320GB 7200rpm (VM and Data Drive) Windows 7 Ultimate 1920 x 1080 (came with 1366 x 768) 
Case
Ventilated Bottom of Laptop Housing 
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i7 920 D0 - 3913B269 Foxxconn Bloodrage Sapphire 6950 2GB flashed to 6970 BIOS 6GB G-Skill Trident 2000mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2x OCZ Vertex 2 160GB in RAID 0 Samsung Swiftech H2O-320 W7 Ultimate 64bit 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Acer 24" AL2423Wdr Acer 24" P243W DAS Model S & Cherry My 7000 Seasonic 860wt Platinum+ 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
In progress R.A.T. 7 Creative Titanium HD Fiio E9 
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Denon AH-D2000 AKG Q701 Grado SR225i Audio-Technica ATH-A900 
Audio
Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 
CPUGraphicsGraphicsRAM
e5700 HD6670 Ceton InfiniTV 4 4GB G-Skill DDR2 1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
60 GB Agility 3 (OS Drive) Hitachi 3TB (TV Buffer and Recording) LG Blu-Ray Burner Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorCaseAudioAudio
58" Samsung Plasma DH101 Polk CS2 (Center) Polk Monitor 70 (FL/FR) 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Polk Monitor 60 (RL/RR) Polk Monitor 40 (Surround L/R) Definitive Technology Supercube 2000 Onkyo HT-RC360 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
T9550 G51VX nVidea 260m 4GB DDR2 1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
120 GB Agility 3 (OS/Programs Drive) 320GB 7200rpm (VM and Data Drive) Windows 7 Ultimate 1920 x 1080 (came with 1366 x 768) 
Case
Ventilated Bottom of Laptop Housing 
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