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if it's only for yourself, why not consider a nice pair of headphones for around $100?
I do have a nice pair of Plantronic. The speakers are for HTPC and when I have a headache.
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Ok, to follow up, although the Bose isn't 'computer budget', isn't it defensible to re-allocate some of the budget (i.e., heck, I just saved $300 on the speakers, so I should be allowed to spend more on the computer... not?).
I know it may sound iron-headed but allocation isn't quite flexible since the source of funding for PC audio came from elsewhere -- a friend owes me in return of a troublesome spreadsheet I am still working on.

What if I invest a $500 v-card in phase 2? Will a high-end single card compensate the performance?

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EDIT1: I forgot: welcome to the forum!
Thanks ~~~
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EDIT2: Wait... Bellevue, WA? you just made the list of the member closest to me... since, guess what, I am in... Bellevue, WA
Yo, neighbor!!!

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if you want to overclock dont get the phenom 9600 due to the B2 revision, wait a couple of weeks for the B3 revsion price to drop. Just a suggestion
I've read reports about B3 release but my old computer is having a fever as of yesterday... Honestly, I am not so tech-savvy and only did some minor textbook OC on the old Abit/Celeron. This new machine is quite experimental and it should be fun to try with B2 since the price is decent.
I am still doing my research.
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Ok, in an attempt to redeem myself after my previous error... (still ashamed)

Phase 1:

• AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz $229.99
• G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit $79.99
• PC Power & Cooling S610EPS EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply $109.99
• GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4 AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX Ultra Durable II AMD Motherboard $139.99
• HIS Hightech H387QS512NP Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported IceQ3 Video Card $169.99

Your budget: $668.95, my budget: $729.94 (you'll have to make due with your old hard drive and stock cooling)

Phase 2:
• HIS Hightech H387QS512NP Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported IceQ3 Video Card $169.99 (second one for Crossfire)
• Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $64.99 (640GB is a massive amount... I would choose smaller, and add an additional hard drive, or two, when you need to, which probably will take a while)
• ZEROtherm BTF90 92mm Silent UFO CPU Cooler $40.99
• Blu-Ray: $150

Your budget ~$400. My budget: ~$425, give or take the Blu-Ray price.

EDIT: this post was created before reading your last... My MAIN issue is to get rid of the onboard graphics of the mobo, since that's a limitation in regards to overclocking. In total, I am exceeding your budget by $ 85 or so, and I have less hard drive space. However, I think a pair of 3870's are hard to beat in terms of performance for the budget (plus, you have a better motherboard).

Darn... I wish I didn't have to work at 5AM.
    
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Ok, in an attempt to redeem myself after my previous error... (still ashamed)

Phase 1:

• AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz
$229.99
• G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit $79.99
• PC Power & Cooling S610EPS EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply $109.99
• GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4 AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX Ultra Durable II AMD Motherboard $139.99
• HIS Hightech H387QS512NP Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported IceQ3 Video Card $169.99

Your budget: $668.95, my budget: $729.94 (you'll have to make due with your old hard drive and stock cooling)

Phase 2:
• HIS Hightech H387QS512NP Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported IceQ3 Video Card $169.99 (second one for Crossfire)
• Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $64.99 (640GB is a massive amount... I would choose smaller, and add an additional hard drive, or two, when you need to, which probably will take a while)
• ZEROtherm BTF90 92mm Silent UFO CPU Cooler $40.99
• Blu-Ray: $150

Your budget ~$400. My budget: ~$425, give or take the Blu-Ray price.
Huh.... I am sold. The ATI is actually more appealing. However, taking the WD hard drive from phase one means I'll have to tear down the old P4 and reinstall the whole OS again in later stage. Also, that is a new gadget and my vanity won't let me discard that model.

I think I can live on instant noodles for another week by:
  • Cancelling eWiz order for the mobo
  • Adding mobo and graphic recommanded
  • still keep the hard drive and go buy a case of instant raman

Thanks for the help and sorry for the 5AM thingy. 4 shots of espresso will help.

Here's the revised version of the machine and cost:

Phase One
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From Newegg with some Combo Discount
• AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor Model HD960ZWCGDBOX - Retail
$179.99

• G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
$79.99

• Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$119.99

• ZEROtherm BTF90 92mm Silent UFO CPU Cooler - Retail
$40.99

• PC Power & Cooling S610EPS EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply - Retail
$109.99

• GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4 AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX Ultra Durable II AMD Motherboard
$139.99

• HIS Hightech H387QS512NP Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported IceQ3 Video Card
$169.99

• A case of instant noodles
$20?
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Total: $840.93 + $20 for Raman
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Phase Two
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• HIS Hightech H387QS512NP Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported IceQ3 Video Card
$169.99

• Blue-Ray Reader(Source and Price TBD)
$150


Total: $319.99
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Phase Three
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From Newegg
• Hanns•G HG-281DPB Black 28" 3ms Widescreen HDMI LCD Monitor - Retail
$499.99+$25.03
(Shipping)
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Grand Total: $1160.92w/o monitor
$1685.94 w/ monitor


This is definitely an impressive toy but I am way over budget. O well... what do you think the final built?
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here is a good deal on a good heatsink, not widely known.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Viewprodu...+CPU%3C%2Fb%3E

better than the zero therm and cost less.

according to frosty tech it does exceptionally well:
http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2233&page=5
Do you know anything about the XIGMATEK AIO-S80DP all in one liquid cooling system?

I have never installed any liquid cooling device but this one does look VERY COOL.

I am tempted....
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Do you know anything about the XIGMATEK AIO-S80DP all in one liquid cooling system?

I have never installed any liquid cooling device but this one does look VERY COOL.

I am tempted....
according to frosty tech not as good.....
http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2070&page=4

look here for some good heatsinks

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
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The coffee worked

This is going to be a very nice rig
    
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according to frosty tech not as good.....
http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2070&page=4

look here for some good heatsinks

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
Thanks for the suggestion. I am going to call Newegg tomorrow to change the order. By then I will check the PSU.

Now back to the CPU....

The more I read about B2 bridge bug, the more I realized that it is really a gamble with the Phenom proc. It is said that if the proc is over-worked, the system may risk to hang due to the bug. The new BIOS patch can prevent the system hang but it also dramatically decreases the performance like 10% to 20%.

Here's a good review I found:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3153

There is an option to disable the patch and risk the stability of the system. Honestly... for me, this is really cool. It'll not only be a new power PC, but also a true game machine!!! I think it'll be fun to play and test its limit. There must be a point where the OC and stability can reach their co-existence in harmony.

Now that even sounds romantic.

I think I'll go on keeping this thread with my log of the assembly and testing on the machine. Any of you can suggest a good name for the babe?

Wooooooooooo~~~ Hooooooooo~~~~
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My opinion is as follows:

PHASE 1: BUDGET $828 COST $810~
CPU - AMD PHENOM 9600 Black Edition $230
RAM - OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB $85
HDD - Seagate 80GB $41
PSU - FSP FX600 $110
GPU - BFG 8800GT $200
MOBO - GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4

PHASE 2: BUDGET $338 COST $330

GPU - BFG 8800GT $200 (SLI TIME)
BRD - LITE-ON Black SATA Blu-ray DVD-ROM Drive $130

PHASE 3: BUDGET $534 COST $526
MONITOR - ViewSonic Optiquest Series Q241wb $360
HSF - Thermaltake Big Typhoon $55 DON'T FORGET AS5 FOR $6!!!
RAID HDDS - 2 x Seagate Barracuda ES.2 ST3250310NS $160
  • OCZ is just as good, if not better than G.Skill. I didn't get mine YET.
  • Hold out on the HDD for a while. Having seperate hard drives is a better solution than just one. Especially if you want to upgrade to RAID (basically, SLI HDDs)
  • I just think the FSP is a better deal
  • The 8800GT listed would work very nicely with the high resolution with AA
  • A 28" Monitor is rediculous for gaming, IMO. This is the bases for the setup I recommend. You won't get dead pixels from Viewsonic.
  • The Thermaltake Big Tyhpoon is tried and true. pair it with AS5 and you will be very satisfied.
EDIT: 5AM CHOZART!?!?! GO TO BED.

EDIT 2: Too slow...
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My opinion is as follows:

PHASE 1: BUDGET $828 COST $810~
CPU - AMD PHENOM 9600 Black Edition $230
RAM - OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB $85
HDD - Seagate 80GB $41
PSU - FSP FX600 $110
GPU - BFG 8800GT $200
MOBO - GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-DS4
[U][B]
Thank you for the suggestion!!! I have made some serious revision this morning....

I think the list is now final. I am patiently awaiting the parts to arrive.
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You can get a 5000+ X2 Brisbane for half the cost if you care.
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