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Its partially caching the parts of the os aswell as any other file used frequently, and i know it already, and 64bit dont make it double, in fact, there is no difference whatsoever because just clicking on a icon on desktop can cause it to use more or free more memory from cache so the difference cant be seen..
64-bit uses about 150MB more ram on average, and also uses quite a bit more hard drive space... so yea.. it would be caching more than 32-bit.

It needs to run the 32-bit emulator programs, which means more ram and more caching.
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64-bit uses about 150MB more ram on average, and also uses quite a bit more hard drive space... so yea.. it would be caching more than 32-bit.

It needs to run the 32-bit emulator programs, which means more ram and more caching.
yes i know that.. i have both 32 and 64 bit.. but what i was saying, that something as simple as a click on a icon can trigger something that adds or removes even as much as 300mb from the cache (i have seen this aswell.. ..) and that guy said it caches the double.. it even cant be true as for me it mostly caches 1gb, and i got 2gb, so with his theory, if im running on 64bits, i would have 2gb cached, wich is 100% of my memory.. . ... ....

anyway.. i managed to find some nice looking registrys in the registry, and changed many many entries so i dont know what was that what caused it, but now ive managed to reduce the cache from 1000mb to ~600mb (right after startup)

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note.. the screenshot in 1st post was taken shortly after i had closed a few apps that ate really much memory so that was the cause for that time's free memory.. normaly theres no free
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post #13 of 25
Oh God not more caching complaints:

You won't disable the "caching" because the "caching" is an integral part of Vista's performance improvements.

Anything cached in RAM can, and IS removed from RAM to make room for whatever program you are running, if it needs to. It will do this on request, and it will do it instantly. There is absolutely no performance loss from this, only performance gain.

I highly recommend you turn back ON the SuperFetch and other services that you disabled, because turning them off reduces the effectiveness of this cache.

Vista is doing what other OSes have been doing for years now (including Linux and OSX). In a perfect world, RAM should be 100% filled at all times, so that the cache for programs can be as large as possible. XP and previous versions of Windows were incorrectly written to keep RAM totally free, which serves no purpose and no benefit. It's essentially like leaving the lights on when no one is home.
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Anything cached in RAM can, and IS removed from RAM to make room for whatever program you are running, if it needs to. It will do this on request, and it will do it instantly. There is absolutely no performance loss from this, only performance gain.
i know that, and thats true, but the thing is that vista puts inactive and not ussed processes to the swap on HDD, and therefore it WILL TAKE LONGER lo load it from there back to RAM, and this is where the caching thing comes, it dont matter anything if it has or has not cached.. the thing what matters is that vista tries to keep no unused memory, by using the free memory for caching, and this is good, but vista goes too far in this, as i jsut said, vista puts inactive processes to the swap to give free caching space for more frquently used files.. so basicaly if i play a game, crysis for example, it works well, but the problem comes when i want to switch to some other app quicly, msn for example.. so vista have put msn process into the paging file (swap) and so it takes 300x more time to load from a slower hdd, and this takes time.. and this same case on xp, there is no caching, so processes etc. use all the available RAM, instead vista STILL uses only 50-70% of my ram and 30-20% for caching, when XP used 90-95% of my ram for processes and kept that 10-5% reserved for quick needs..

and in this case I DO GET MORE PREFORMANCE with lower caching! i tried it with a normal-sized pagefile, and vista just normaly put inactive processes to swap, and switching from crysis to msn and back and it took over 30seconds for crysis to come enought back to ram so fps came back to around 40.. then i tried disabling pagingfile, and voila! time was under 10 seconds as everything were on ram and just about 40mb cached!
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Yes, and disabling paging file also puts you at serious risk of crashing. Windows relies on that Pagefile for a LOT of things, even in XP it did. If you ever run a program that goes AWOL and starts eating all your RAM, you won't have your page file there to save you. The RAM is going to run out, the system is going to continue to try and give up resources, and eventually it'll run out and die. Hard lock. You're basically reproducing a problem that was fixed way back on Windows 2000.

More power to you if you think it improves your speed, but it's going to bite you in the ass at some point in the future.
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Yes, and disabling paging file also puts you at serious risk of crashing. Windows relies on that Pagefile for a LOT of things, even in XP it did.
yes i know that, and thats exactly why i want to disable caching!! to still have paging file in case i need more memory suddenly, but also want processes to use as much ram as possible, and not caching instead of idle processes
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Then go back to XP, because there's no option. If you would deal with it for a bit, and turned on all the caching stuff you disabled that's meant to assist in this, it would learn how you use your PC and wouldn't pagefile MSN anymore.
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Then go back to XP, because there's no option. If you would deal with it for a bit, and turned on all the caching stuff you disabled that's meant to assist in this, it would learn how you use your PC and wouldn't pagefile MSN anymore.
tried already for a half year.. and xp is not a choice as theres many things that cant be done well on xp.. so i quess either i have to get used to it or get more ram..
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im not at my desktop atm.. at work on lunch break

but is there a way to select a program to never be cached... aka messanger, firefox... stuff that we use alot and even while gaming.. switch back to look at often...
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im not at my desktop atm.. at work on lunch break

but is there a way to select a program to never be cached... aka messanger, firefox... stuff that we use alot and even while gaming.. switch back to look at often...
there is?!? that would be more than perfect for this what im looking for!
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