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or with a strech the LOOP portion
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As far as I know, there is no smoking gun document out there that specifically accuses Creative of intentionally crippling their drivers.
You only have to look at what's going on to realize it. The modded drivers are just that, modded. They basically remove the code that checks for H/W id and OS type.

Code:
if (hwid == XFI && OS != VISTA)
{
   AllowAllHWFunctionality();
}
Pretty crappy example, but code very much like that is strewn all over the place in the original drivers. The modded drivers have those types of artificial checks removed.

I don't expect Creative to support 5+ year old H/W, but they can at least support their current H/W and provide the functionality in their drivers that the cards under Vista are very capable of. The modded drivers PROVE that it does work.

Creative got caught lying to and scamming their customers to push newer H/W and that is ultimately what they have problems with.
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But just because it can be made better does not inherently mean it's substandard to begin with. The hardware is decent, but the implementation of it with software is often terrible. Thats the issue being raised here.
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Goddamn, I'm trying to sell my card and Creative decides to sacrifice themselves on a pyre.

I have a Creative Professional Series E-MU 0404. Absolutely love it.

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Anyone thought about this angle:

Let's say, hypothetically, that stocks plummet and Creative goes down hard. Do you think this will set a new precendent for popular hardware companies that choose to release products with poor customer/driver support?

Compared to this ordeal, comapanies in the past have gotten off easy. Think about Nvidia's 7950GX2 both in general performance and Vista support. What about the promise of 45nm quad on the 680i? Not to pick on the big N but I can't think of another example atm.
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Goddamn, I'm trying to sell my card and Creative decides to sacrifice themselves on a pyre.

I have a Creative Professional Series E-MU 0404. Absolutely love it.

Edit - I reach 666 posts in an epic thread. WIN
That is win! And to think that I was happy @ 420 posts
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I reach 666 posts in an epic thread. WIN
Did the devil start this?

On topic, I do not really care much for creative as of now, the last driver released for my card(audigy 4 which i guess is sort of mid-range) was released 3/16/07...ouch?..i even have a older creative sound card...other than it being 5.1 ..i guess thats what it is..i looked up everywhere on there site and found it finally but all it said was that support and drivers discontinued...i was unable to even try to download them...
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Anyone thought about this angle:

Let's say, hypothetically, that stocks plummet and Creative goes down hard. Do you think this will set a new precendent for popular hardware companies that choose to release products with poor customer/driver support?

Compared to this ordeal, comapanies in the past have gotten off easy. Think about Nvidia's 7950GX2 both in general performance and Vista support. What about the promise of 45nm quad on the 680i? Not to pick on the big N but I can't think of another example atm.

To be honest, I have, or had, some money vested in Creative. As of open tommorow however, it will be auto-dumped. What I think is that it will hurt, but it may just (hopefully) usher in an era of open-source platforms for drivers and whatnot.... this may set the precendance for other companies to follow suit... not all companies embrace open source technology, but no company should publically decry the customer in the way that Creative did... what they did is abborhable... I am still in some kind of shock at the absolute magnitude we are talking... Hundreds of thousands of customers lost over the course of one weekend; many of whom used to be loyal Creative fans.... many more retail stores and employees who will no longer recommend, and may even decry, Creative products... yeah, Creative better be quick if they want to have a future... want to be they get bought out by another company once the dust settles (Like Yahoo, also going broke)?
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To be honest, I have, or had, some money vested in Creative. As of open tommorow however, it will be auto-dumped. What I think is that it will hurt, but it may just (hopefully) usher in an era of open-source platforms for drivers and whatnot.... this may set the precendance for other companies to follow suit... not all companies embrace open source technology, but no company should publically decry the customer in the way that Creative did... what they did is abborhable... I am still in some kind of shock at the absolute magnitude we are talking... Hundreds of thousands of customers lost over the course of one weekend; many of whom used to be loyal Creative fans.... many more retail stores and employees who will no longer recommend, and may even decry, Creative products... yeah, Creative better be quick if they want to have a future... want to be they get bought out by another company once the dust settles (Like Yahoo, also going broke)?
The part about them getting on the OP a little doesn't mean near as much to me as the fact that the drivers were easily modded to do what Creative claimed they could not. Makes you wonder who else out there messes with software to enhance the bottom line.
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ahhh the power of the internet at it's best. All it takes is a single weekend, and one forum post to put hundreds of Creative employees in a panic when they get back to work on Monday. Put in that in your pipe and smoke it Creative.

From this point on I am guessing they will either be forced to properly support their hardware, or will be heavily **** on by the internet community, which will cost them some $$$.

EDIT: Added Creative's stock listing to my iPod Touch. Hopefully this will be interesting.
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