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...........It bears repeating: 8GB of memory is extreme overkill and you'll never need it. It may even take up unnecessary resources, but this is just a guess on my part.........
Well if I am not mistaken, the whole point of this entire forum could be taken as "overkill". I use 8 GB of ram not because I need it, but I do it because I can. I could say that OCing any component is "Extreme Overkill" but that is why we are all here. It isn't due to need, it is trying to get the most extreme out of anything we do. That is just my
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This is his PSU. So, he's absolutely okay.

Edit: Hey, it has a high-gloss finish too. I'm kinda jealous.

2nd Edit: Hey Stryker, why didn't you get this one? It looks kinda cool!

Tigerdirect had it on sale for $79.99 and it was the black one only. The blue version was $119.99. Don't ask me why they discounted one and not the other, I have no clue so naturally I went for the cheaper one

Also read my other posts to address about the upgrade.

I have 4GB already, but its DDR2-667. I thought going to DDR2-800 that can be overclocked to 1000Mhz would be a good choice, but feel its kind of silly to upgrade from 4GB of DDR2-667 to 4GB of DDR2-800 when RAM is so cheap now. I could get 8GB(in 4x2GB sticks) for not much more than 4GB.

I saw one site that had some good 2xGB DDR2-800 for $49.99 with a $30 MIR

So I know 8GB is overkill its a way of trying to future proof myself for another year or more if possible. I don't need the 8GB now...but I also don't want to get 6 months down the road and DDR2 is now double what it use to be because DDR3 is now mainstream and no one is making DDR2 anymore.

See previous argument about DDR400 memory and DDR2 prices.
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Well if I am not mistaken, the whole point of this entire forum could be taken as "overkill". I use 8 GB of ram not because I need it, but I do it because I can. I could say that OCing any component is "Extreme Overkill" but that is why we are all here. It isn't due to need, it is trying to get the most extreme out of anything we do. That is just my
But I don't understand how having 8GB of memory is going to benefit anyone anymore than 4GB. Yeah, I can see how increasing from 2GB to 4GB in Vista would help as I've heard a lot about "letting it breathe". But 8GB on a budget? He could get 4GB of ram, still have a little overkill, and save a lot of money.

But if 8GB makes a noticeable performance increase (and I'm not speaking literaly. I mean, if it's something that's really easy to notice), then yeah, I suppose 8GB of memory is worth it.

But if i don't have much money to begin with, I'm not going to go all out just because I can. I'm going to go all out within my budget, hence my sig rig.
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Well I can see if you are on a budget, then sure you could do better by getting just 2 - 4 gb of ram. No argument there.
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Tigerdirect had it on sale for $79.99 and it was the black one only. The blue version was $119.99. Don't ask me why they discounted one and not the other, I have no clue so naturally I went for the cheaper one

Also read my other posts to address about the upgrade.

I have 4GB already, but its DDR2-667. I thought going to DDR2-800 that can be overclocked to 1000Mhz would be a good choice, but feel its kind of silly to upgrade from 4GB of DDR2-667 to 4GB of DDR2-800 when RAM is so cheap now. I could get 8GB(in 4x2GB sticks) for not much more than 4GB.

I saw one site that had some good 2xGB DDR2-800 for $49.99 with a $30 MIR

So I know 8GB is overkill its a way of trying to future proof myself for another year or more if possible. I don't need the 8GB now...but I also don't want to get 6 months down the road and DDR2 is now double what it use to be because DDR3 is now mainstream and no one is making DDR2 anymore.

See previous argument about DDR400 memory and DDR2 prices.
Yeah, stores can do some weird sales sometimes.

Regarding the memory, I am definitely behind you on the 800MHz. I wouldn't want anyone I know to be stuck with 667MHz or less when their mobo supports up to 800. But if going with just dual-channel 4GB will save you $50 or more, then why not save it and use it on groceries? By the time you'll need 8GB of memory (when the OS requires 4-6GB), DDR4 will be out (if they'll call it that), and it'll probably cost as much as today's DDR2 or DDR3, and it'll probably be like 5 times faster.

Seriously, don't do it. But I'm only saying don't do it because I don't yet know how much of a performance increase 8GB is over 2 or 4 when the user barely even needs 1.5 for most things. If other users can chime in saying that there's a significant boost in performance, then hey, I'm all for it.

Take current mobo's for example. They're beginning to phase out DDR2. They're currently supporting as much as DDR3 1333, where our mobo (the evga 680i SLI) only supports DDR2 800. Before we know it, we'll be left in the dust. I just built my rig a 2 weeks ago, and I'm already considering upgrading to a DDR3 1333 system with something like the e8400 cpu, and a 9600xx or 9800xx. Before I know it, my rig will feel like my Pentium 3 500MHz with 384MB of SDRAM and a Voodoo3 3000 AGP. I don't want that to happen ever again.

But in the end, I'm not about to just TELL you what to do. My intentions are simply suggestions. I don't like simply telling somebody what they should do, even though it may come across like it. I just want you to make up your own mind without me telling you what decision to make. But I do want you to have food for thought.
post #26 of 36
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Well I can see if you are on a budget, then sure you could do better by getting just 2 - 4 gb of ram. No argument there.
8GB in a caseless system would look cool, though. (yeah, I'm caseless, and I'm weird)
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This is his PSU. So, he's absolutely okay.
I don't think he's absolutely okay with sli with this psu. To quote JG:
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This PSU definitely offers a lot of power, ironically it seems to only be willing to offer it up if evenly loaded. Due to it's crossload "issue" I wouldn't suggest video cards as high as x1900's unless the 3.3V and 5V rails are satisfied with hard drives, PCI cards and/or some USB devices. That's right: Feed the power supply with more stuff to power and the power supply will actually perform better.

Otherwise, you're only going to see the performance of a typical 450W PSU. So if you only plan on having one hard drive and an optical, you might want to keep your video card choices limited to a pair of Nvidia 6x cards or ATI x1800 cards.
So with a high 12v load, like you will have if you have sli, your psu will perform like a 450w and I can't recommend that for fairly high end sli and ocing.
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I don't think he's absolutely okay with sli with this psu. To quote JG:


So with a high 12v load, like you will have if you have sli, your psu will perform like a 450w and I can't recommend that for fairly high end sli and ocing.
I mean no disrespect, shinji, but I don't feel like this applies to Stryker. I can't explain it. It's just a feeling I have. Besides, it kinda sounds like he might be upgrading his PSU within a few months anyway.
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It'll probably run it just fine. But for me, knowing how poorly it does in crossload situations, it makes me nervous about running high loads that a sli setup like this would create for long periods of time. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can set me straight if my fears are undeserved .
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Originally Posted by 5CheeseLasagna View Post
Yeah, stores can do some weird sales sometimes.

Regarding the memory, I am definitely behind you on the 800MHz. I wouldn't want anyone I know to be stuck with 667MHz or less when their mobo supports up to 800. But if going with just dual-channel 4GB will save you $50 or more, then why not save it and use it on groceries? By the time you'll need 8GB of memory (when the OS requires 4-6GB), DDR4 will be out (if they'll call it that), and it'll probably cost as much as today's DDR2 or DDR3, and it'll probably be like 5 times faster.

Seriously, don't do it. But I'm only saying don't do it because I don't yet know how much of a performance increase 8GB is over 2 or 4 when the user barely even needs 1.5 for most things. If other users can chime in saying that there's a significant boost in performance, then hey, I'm all for it.

Take current mobo's for example. They're beginning to phase out DDR2. They're currently supporting as much as DDR3 1333, where our mobo (the evga 680i SLI) only supports DDR2 800. Before we know it, we'll be left in the dust. I just built my rig a 2 weeks ago, and I'm already considering upgrading to a DDR3 1333 system with something like the e8400 cpu, and a 9600xx or 9800xx. Before I know it, my rig will feel like my Pentium 3 500MHz with 384MB of SDRAM and a Voodoo3 3000 AGP. I don't want that to happen ever again.

But in the end, I'm not about to just TELL you what to do. My intentions are simply suggestions. I don't like simply telling somebody what they should do, even though it may come across like it. I just want you to make up your own mind without me telling you what decision to make. But I do want you to have food for thought.

I understand what you are saying...but when DDR4 comes out that means I will have to upgrade cpu, mobo, AND RAM. When DDR4 comes out do you think DDR2 will be dirt cheap? No it won't and then I will be stuck with a 4GB system and have to upgrade everything. Where if I would have had 8GB I could have lasted maybe a little bit longer.

I am not going to spend money to buy 4GB of 800Mhz RAM. That increase won't warrant the fact it will still be outdated in the same amount of time my 4GB of 667 will be(i.e. meaning stuff will be using 4-6GB instead of 1-3GB).


So if I was going to spend the money now, I would get 8GB or nothing.
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