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post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by dizzy4 View Post
I am looking into watercooling right now too and the very first thing I decided was to get the 100% non-conductive liquid. It may be $20 per litre, but honestly with a nice setup it will be worth it. This way I can eliminate a lot of worry about my electronics shorting out. Now they just might get sticky . Seriously, I don't plan on having leaks.
Tell me how non conductive it is after it's been hitting copper blocks for a couple of weeks.

EDIT : Oh yeah, no water cooling set up is a 'set and forget' kind of thing. You do need to drain your loop every 3 months to keep it nice and happy. You can use UV dyes if you want but if you search around for it, there are plenty of 'goop and gunk in my loop' threads.
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I love my watercooling so far (have it for a total of 5 days now, no leaks so far), more then halved my temps (@stock that is) and even at massive voltages I still can't get is passed 50C on full load for hours on my quad (seen 48C max so far on just 85CFM fans and no shroud/lapping [yet]).
I did read a lot about it and got what seemed to be the best for what I got (see my rig for details)
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24" Monitor
Evga 780i
2xevga 9800GTX
QX9650
4GB Ballistix ram (64 bit or not you can still use 3 - 3.5 GB of it)
PCP&C 750W Silencer (see if you can find the non crossfire edition)

Total = 2740, + that case you wanted = $2890, - Mail in rebates = $2800.

About that case, if you want to mount your radiator outside it (which you very well may have to) you'll want a case with predrilled and fitted 'drainage' ports. For example: Gigabyte 570 Aurora

That gives you $200 for a decent WCing kit. Just enough for the swiftech 220 compact or 220 standard. I would suggest the standard, more headache, but you feel better about yourself . About the WCing, the only thing you can do wrong with it is not set it up outside your case first and do a test run. Get a PSU you can bypass for the pump (google it) and set it out on a counter with some papertowels. Let it run for at least 30 minutes (many suggest hours) and check for leaks. No leaks, drain, partially disassemble, install, refill, run again while bypassed, ensure no leaks, then you're good to go.

If you DON'T have a 24" monitor or aren't planning on getting one:
Get 1 9800 GTX, Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L mobo
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post #14 of 21
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The build you listed is a waste of money

Don't buy that CPU, get the Q6600 and overclock it, its soooo much cheaper

Don't get the 8800GTX, get the 8800GTS G92 512MB And overclock it

Don't get the 790i, i only saw one GFX Card, not 3

Look into a board like the P5K-E, DFI BloodIron

This is an assumption, but i think your just choosing the most expensive parts, then you wont have a budget for a decent WC setup

More expensive isnt always better

I'd suggest

CPU: Q6600
MB: ASUS P5K-E/DFI BloodIron
GFX: EVGA 8800GTS 512MB G92
RAM: Crucial BallistiX 2GB PC8500
PSU: OCZ 700W

You do not need a 1300W PSU, that is total overkill

DDR3 Is waaay to expensive for what it gives, look @ the PC8500 Crucial BallistiX


This is your first WC Build, if it all goes pete tong you dont wanna devastate loads of over expensive hardware

User a coolant like feser one, which is non conductive - so it has less of a chance of decimating your components if you get a leak

You can help prevents leaks by using wormdrive clips / PVC Clips on your barbs, or even zip ties, and making sure there isnt too much stress on the hoses
Well, just like Water Cooling, I am just as scared to overclock. I tried overclocking in the past but it was too trial & error to me. Basically I could never get my overclocking to work right since my system would be unstable. Overclocking turned out to be a lot of computer restarts after letting a memory test run for 20 minutes.

I would like to buy hardware that I can just pop in and start using, any more work than that is probably not worth it to me. I would *love* to overclock because, as you've pointed out, it gives you the most bang for your buck. But this is just one of those things I don't feel qualified to do.

As I already said, unlike water cooling, I *have* indeed tried to overclock and it never worked out for me. Perhaps I should start another thread in the appropriate location on how I'm too chicken to do this too lol.

The stuff I bought *is* rather expensive, I know. I didn't look at prices when I chose these items. I looked at model numbers (to determine which is better) and stats. I wanted to go with Intel dual core, and the Extreme line of processors is supposed to be the best, so of course I chose the best Extreme processor they had.

Why do you choose the 8800GTS over the 8800GTX? The GTX has a larger frame buffer and it has shown (in the reviews I read) to perform faster than the GTS. I simply assumed the GTX was the better model.

Thanks for your response, I appreciate it. It seems as this point that not overclocking is another weakness I have.
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Well, just like Water Cooling, I am just as scared to overclock. I tried overclocking in the past but it was too trial & error to me. Basically I could never get my overclocking to work right since my system would be unstable. Overclocking turned out to be a lot of computer restarts after letting a memory test run for 20 minutes.

I would like to buy hardware that I can just pop in and start using, any more work than that is probably not worth it to me. I would *love* to overclock because, as you've pointed out, it gives you the most bang for your buck. But this is just one of those things I don't feel qualified to do.

As I already said, unlike water cooling, I *have* indeed tried to overclock and it never worked out for me. Perhaps I should start another thread in the appropriate location on how I'm too chicken to do this too lol.

The stuff I bought *is* rather expensive, I know. I didn't look at prices when I chose these items. I looked at model numbers (to determine which is better) and stats. I wanted to go with Intel dual core, and the Extreme line of processors is supposed to be the best, so of course I chose the best Extreme processor they had.

Why do you choose the 8800GTS over the 8800GTX? The GTX has a larger frame buffer and it has shown (in the reviews I read) to perform faster than the GTS. I simply assumed the GTX was the better model.

Thanks for your response, I appreciate it. It seems as this point that not overclocking is another weakness I have.
overclocking is easy to learn.
just read these guides.
45nm Overclocking - QX9650

Intel Overclocking Redefined: Guide to Successful Overclocking with NB Straps in Mind

since you said you would be spending over 3000 anyway, i configured something for you that requires you to do exactly that, and no system in the world can touch it after some nice overclocking. (i just like doing this every once in a while. go ahead and get one of the cheaper systems suggested by other members if you are satisfied by overclocking one of those)

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CPU - QX9650
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GFX - eVGA GeForce 9800GTX (3x)

M/B - ASUS ROG Striker II Extreme 790i Ultra (**)
Case - Lian Li ArmorSuit PC-P80 (***)

* you may need 2x 8-pin to 6-pin power adapter cables for the 3rd GFX card if they are not supplied with the card.
** I'm a ROG fanboy, so obviously i had to mention it. IMO worth the price-difference for its excessive amount of features.
*** most awesome case in the world IMHO, worth the price tag.
the mobo and case listed in your first post will obviously also do perfectly fine.
post #16 of 21
Well i see a big difference even on my 3D Galaxy which is considered crap WC......When i had my P4 530 Idle temp on air was ~57C and Water idle was ~33C..........Now on my E2160 Idle is ~29.......
    
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Well you have come to the right place to learn about both Water Cooling, and Overclocking.

Just remember to take your time, read as much as you can, then read some more.

Then just have fun with it, and enjoy your stay
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what do you mean by w/c worth it? here are some scenarios as to why imo someone might get into w/c.

1. I have $$$$ to spend is it worth it?
2. I'm curious about w/c but i'm still kinda lost, is w/c worth it?
3. i've hit a wall w/ air OCing is w/c worth it?
4. i think i've out grown my old system
and want to move to better setup is w/c worth it?
5. everyone's doing it might as well do it myself is w/c worth it?
6, I'm pretty good w/ modding some stuff,this is my next challenge is w/c worth it?

which category do u fall under? it's pretty simple to me why it's worth it actually it's 2 things on this list for me.
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Water is always a better medium for heat transfer, air is actually an insulator...Cooling - An In-Depth Look

The best way to prevent leaks is with a good method of leak testing...I always test my new components outside of my case with the pump I'll be using first, or a bigger one is even better...Thats just a pressure test, seals can blow out that type of thing..Then the next leak test will be installed with no power to the mobo, I let that run for at least 24 hours sometimes longer...

One thing you really need to watch for is if your working in your case on something else and move your tubing around to work on it, be sure to look at those unions and make sure you haven't backed them out any, that can cause a little slow weepy leak there, thats the kind that can get you because you don't notice the coolant level dropping fast..I always add a couple of drops of UV dye in my loop, I have a little 4" CC UV light that I look over my loop with at least once a week, even the smallest leak will shine out under the light.......

Any of us can have leaks, I never have and I knock on wood every time I say it to...But if your careful and take your time the odds will be in your favor....WC'ing is a lot of fun and it lets me push the v-core, thats what its all about, pushing my OC....Its a lot of fun to...
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i think ira pretty much covered everything there as usual The UV coolant/UV additive method is a very good way to check for leaks, i use it as well.....i have only had one small leak but it was my fault (i was using stock plastic barbs and they werent tightened down all the way) nothing was damaged though as i caught the leak with the black light before i turned the computer on. From then on, i have always used metal barbs and havent had a problem since.

Definitely let the loop run for at least 12 hours to check for leaks.....some like to do it longer (24 hours) You can use this PSU bypass adapter http://www.petrastechshop.com/atxposubyad.html to plug your pump in and run the loop without powering anything else in your computer to do your bleeding/leak testing. Works great and is definitely worth $2.99. You can also use a paper clip to do the same thing but for $2.99 you might as well get it

To answer your original question, yes, water cooling is definitely worth it.....it's a ton of fun and im glad i made the switch. As long as you get quality parts, you will definitely be glad you switched when you see your temps
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