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Hi all, after struggling through games on my Dell Inspiron XPS laptop for the past four years, I'm finally stepping it up and building my own system for the first time. Here are my specs:

Case: Thermaltake Armor full tower
Mobo: EVGA nForce 780i
CPU: Q6600 (or Q9450, if it becomes available and gets good reviews)
PSU: PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750
RAM: G.Skill 4gb (2x2) DDR2 800
Storage: WD Caviar 750gb 7200 rpm
Monitor: Samsung 2253BW 22''
Optical: Pioneer 20x DVD-R
OS: Vista 64-bit
Cooling: Zalman 9500A 92mm 2

GPU: That's where I need your help. Although I have heard that the 9800 GTX has been disappointing and has not improved much over the 8800 GTS or GTX, seeing as how I am starting from scratch and not just upgrading, it seems like a really good deal. It's a powerful single card, well-priced, and has future upgradeability because I can get another one for SLI down the road (or just by a next-gen card, if it's way better).

So what are your thoughts? My budget will probably allow up to $430 or so for GPU. I could always go GTS 8800 in SLI, but that's getting more pricey and it would be nice to run a single card to begin with, right?

Finally, I do still have some cash (a couple hundred, maybe) to spare beyond the graphics card, so if you see any holes in my system or areas for improvement, let me know - it's been a while since I've been in the desktop world.

Thanks!
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post #2 of 9
Get the 9800gtx if you do not already have a g92 chip (8800gt / 8800gts g92)..

If you already have a g92, or a g80 gtx/ultra.. then do NOT buy the 9800gtx.. cuz it's simply not worth the difference..

If you do the GTX. get an evga one so you can possibly stepup.. or switch to a gx2 if you do not like it... will definatly leave your options open to tri sli / sli 9800gtx as well !

Also have you considered the 790i ultra? Then you can venture into DDR3 territory =p
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post #3 of 9
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Yeah, I was thinking that the 9800 GTX might be a good call for an entirely new build - although if anyone else has conflicting opinions, please lemme know.

psik, thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure about the 790i ultra, considering its price. Also, I can't say I know that much about DDR3, is it going to provide a big boost for the price? Is it going to be the new standard in the next couple years?

On a more general note, does this build in its entirety sound like it will be good (with an upgrade here or there) for the next couple of years?
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post #4 of 9
the 9800GTX is a slightly updated 8800GTS (G92) so you don't have a 8800GTS or a GTX/ultra 8800 then don't bother but for the price point on a new system its worth it. Basically its worth it for new systems but its not a real upgrade over 8800 GTS/GTS/Ultra cards.
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Originally Posted by cjrhobbes View Post
Hi all, after struggling through games on my Dell Inspiron XPS laptop for the past four years, I'm finally stepping it up and building my own system for the first time. Here are my specs:

Case: Thermaltake Armor full tower
Mobo: EVGA nForce 780i
CPU: Q6600 (or Q9450, if it becomes available and gets good reviews)
PSU: PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750
RAM: G.Skill 4gb (2x2) DDR2 800
Storage: WD Caviar 750gb 7200 rpm
Monitor: Samsung 2253BW 22''
Optical: Pioneer 20x DVD-R
OS: Vista 64-bit
Cooling: Zalman 9500A 92mm 2

GPU: That's where I need your help. Although I have heard that the 9800 GTX has been disappointing and has not improved much over the 8800 GTS or GTX, seeing as how I am starting from scratch and not just upgrading, it seems like a really good deal. It's a powerful single card, well-priced, and has future upgradeability because I can get another one for SLI down the road (or just by a next-gen card, if it's way better).

So what are your thoughts? My budget will probably allow up to $430 or so for GPU. I could always go GTS 8800 in SLI, but that's getting more pricey and it would be nice to run a single card to begin with, right?

Finally, I do still have some cash (a couple hundred, maybe) to spare beyond the graphics card, so if you see any holes in my system or areas for improvement, let me know - it's been a while since I've been in the desktop world.

Thanks!
You should get a 750GB Samsung Spinpoint F1
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post #6 of 9
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Why, do you have a good experience with the Samsung F1? It seems to have similar reviews to the Western Digital on Newegg...
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post #7 of 9
The spinpoint is better priced then its competitors and the quality seems to be quite good. Look for benches if your hesitant.
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post #8 of 9
I suggest you get the 790I board with the 9800GTX. This leaves room for Tri SLI in the future :-D

As for CPU Cooling, I herd the q6600s put out a good amount of heat, but the 45mm quads shouldn't put out as much heat.
I would efintely get the Tuniq Tower or the Thermalright Ultra Extreme with a 120mm fan.

Don't forget thermal paste, additonal fans, fan controller, compressed air, and the sort.
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post #9 of 9
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the 780i is also Tri-SLI compatible...

Also, about the cooler, is the Zalman 9500A not as powerful as the Tuniq or Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120? Will those both fit in my system with enough room to spare?

And about the Hard Drive, good point, maybe I'll check that out. Do you think going 10,000 rpm (like the WD Raptor) will give me much of a boost in gaming, or not really? It's probably not worth it, but I figured I'd ask...
My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core2Quad Q6700 XFX 780i 2x MSI 8800 GTS OC SLI 4gb DDR2 800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD Caviar 750gb Windows Vista Home 64-bit Samsung 2253BW 22'' LCD OCZ 1010w 
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Thermaltake 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core2Quad Q6700 XFX 780i 2x MSI 8800 GTS OC SLI 4gb DDR2 800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD Caviar 750gb Windows Vista Home 64-bit Samsung 2253BW 22'' LCD OCZ 1010w 
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