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post #1 of 14
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Hi,
I'm just knew to this forum so hi and thanks in advance to all of you that are willing to give some advice.

I'm about to start a new AMD build, I've listed the parts I intend to use below, and have a few questions too.

Coolermaster RC-690 Dominator case
Gigabyte AMD 790FX AM2+
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition
CPU Cooler (See below)?
OCZ Reaper 2GB (2 x 1GB) 1066MHZ PC28500 (5-5-5-15)
2* Sapphire HD3450 512mb PCI-E
SilentMaxx semi-fanless 450w P/S


Case is relatively simple, gets good writeups etc, like the look of it so no problems there.

I've went with an AM2+ board with dual PCI-E, so that I can easily move to a phenom later on if I want to, can't see any reason not to as opposed to jsut getting an AM2 board?

As for cooling, I'm undecided between a Tuniq tower 120, and a Zalman CNPS9500. Also I'm not 100% sure that they'll both fit AM2+ although I presume the fittings will be similar?

GPU-wise the HD3450 is fanless so noise-free, and This isn't really intended for a gaming-PC (Hence skimping on GPU), but with the two of them I'll be able to run my 3 monitors well enough for any app's I'll use.

Because of the AM2 board I'm thinking I might as well get some 1066 ram and the OCZ seems to be good enough here, again there wouldn't be any reason not to and just go for 800 would there?

Like I said earlier, thanks for any advice in advance
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WD Raptor 74Gb, 2*Seagate Barracuuda 7200.10 500Gb HP1040i XP, Vista, Fedora Core AOC LM720a x 3 (3840*1024) 
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post #2 of 14
Looks good. But you do know that the 6400+ doesn't overclock that well?

Just telling you incase you forgot that.

Seems good.

OCZ makes some silent PSU. I have one and it is very soft. The most noise is my fans.
post #3 of 14
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Hi, thanks for the quick response.
I realise the 6400+ doesn't overclock too wella s it's already pretty clos to it's limits, but it'll do for the time being until the phenoms start clocking higher, and even still, It should get 3.4, 3.5GHz pretty easily from all the threads I've read about it.

The power supply I have already sitting waiting and even though it's a few years old now it was well over 100quid knew from what I remember, and is a pretty decent unit - saves buying another anyway.

How about Ram & cooling, any suggestions?
Cheers.
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post #4 of 14
A very decent build, I have the Zalman 9500AM2 and I can tell you I wish I did alittle better job, not that is is bad because I do get decent temps, but if lacks in the cooling off. For instance if I try and OC and my temps get above 55 it takes it alittle to long to get cool the CPU off. I myself have been thinking of getting the Tuniq alot of people here love it. I am also running the 6400BE and it doesn't OC that well as stated above, but I can get 3380 out of it with ease.
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post #5 of 14
Chris_robb, one of my buddies owns a CM690 and has enjoyed it quite a bit. I think you'll be happy with it
Here's a couple reviews on the Tuniq Tower 120:
http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling...oc.aspx?i=2906
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coo...-tower120.html
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=812

Hope this helps, good luck
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post #6 of 14
Welcome to OCN chris_robb!

The Zalmans are overpriced, the Tuniq Tower is going to be a better choice.

As for your choice of motherboard and memory, consider the following. The X2 6400+ has a very high CPU multiplier, making the stock speed of the CPU very close to it's max speed. In other words, when you increase the reference clock to overclock the CPU, you'll probably only need to bump it up a little bit before you max out the CPU (i.e. 215MHz x 16 = 3440MHz, which is probably pretty close to the max CPU speed). You're buying a high quality motherboard that can take a very high reference clock (probably 350MHz or more) but you really only need a motherboard that can take around 220-225MHz. Quality motherboards are actually more beneficial to low end CPU's like the X2 4000+ because they have low CPU multipliers and need to increase the reference clock to speeds of 300MHz+ to reach their max CPU speed. Even a budget $80 board would be fine for your X2 6400+.

The same goes for the memory. You can only "set" the memory to DDR2 1066 if you have a Phenom CPU. So even if you buy 1066 memory you'll still have to use the DDR2 800 setting. Now the 1066 memory should overclock a bit better than 800 memory, but you won't be able to clock anywhere near as high as it can go for the following reason. At a 16x multiplier and a DDR2 800 setting, your divider will be high, 8 to be exact. And since the CPU will likely max out around 3.5GHz, you're looking at 3.5GHz/8 = 437.5MHz, of DDR2 875. No where near the 1066 speed the memory is capable of, and a speed that almost any DDR2 800 set for $30 after MIR can hit.

However, you could always lower the CPU multiplier and increase the reference clock to push the memory and motherboard further, but in that case you might as well just get the cheaper X2 5000+ Black Edition.

Basically if I were you, and was going to keep the X2 6400+ for awhile, I'd get a cheaper Biostar 770 AM2+ motherboard and a cheaper set of quality DDR2 800 (like Crucial Ballistix). This would save money and give you the same overclock.

Now for the big BUT. If you're certain that you'll be getting a quadcore at some point, then it might make some sense to get DDR2 1066 memory and the better 790 mobo. This is because with the Phenom, you can set the memory to DDR2 1066 and lower the divider for any given CPU multiplier. So if you're really sure that you'll be getting a quadcore in the next few months, and you're ok with spending more money for the 790 mobo and 1066 RAM, then go for it! And once again I think I've rambled for too long...
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post #7 of 14
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Thanks again for all the replies, and durch I'd much rather read a a most informative "ramble" than nothing at all! The Tuniq 120 seems to be the cooler to go for and certainly reviews well in all that I've read so I'll go for that over the zalman.
I've had a look at the Biostar 770 as mentioned above but the only downfall is that it has only 1 PCI-e 16x, but I need the 2 for the twin graphics-cards.
I've also convinced myself that it'd be worthwhile to get a 36gb raptor so that's another thing sorted. It's starting to come together gradually.

From what I've read the Phenom will start to be released at higher clocks, so I think I will move to one in the next few months.

Thanks for all the help,
Chris
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WD Raptor 74Gb, 2*Seagate Barracuuda 7200.10 500Gb HP1040i XP, Vista, Fedora Core AOC LM720a x 3 (3840*1024) 
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WD Raptor 74Gb, 2*Seagate Barracuuda 7200.10 500Gb HP1040i XP, Vista, Fedora Core AOC LM720a x 3 (3840*1024) 
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post #8 of 14
I think u should switch the 1066 MHz OCZ ram for 2 x 2 GB Reaprt HPc edition 800 MHz. But some people say 4 gb + AMD = Epic fail. But I don't believe in that.
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post #9 of 14
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Hi 555thz, I was just looking at changing to 4gb of 800mhz, I haven't heard anything of this "AMD + 4Gb = fail", what is meant by this?
Also would there be any benefit of buying 2*2Gb as opposed to 4*1gb apart from the obvious option of ading more later if required, and running them in dual-channel mode?

Also If I were to change to 800MHz, It might be worthwhile going for an Asus M2N-SLI nForce 570 motherboard (Which is a slightly cheaper dual PCI-E mobo), or even the Asus M2R32-MVP, and accepting that if I wanted to upgrade, then changing it then.

Thanks,
Chris
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom 9600 BE Gigabyte 790x HD3450 x 2 Corsair Dominator 2Gb pc2-8500 1066Mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Raptor 74Gb, 2*Seagate Barracuuda 7200.10 500Gb HP1040i XP, Vista, Fedora Core AOC LM720a x 3 (3840*1024) 
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Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 Silent-Maxx 450w Cooler Master RC690 Microsoft Ergonomic Wireless 60000 
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A comfy one 
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WD Raptor 74Gb, 2*Seagate Barracuuda 7200.10 500Gb HP1040i XP, Vista, Fedora Core AOC LM720a x 3 (3840*1024) 
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Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 Silent-Maxx 450w Cooler Master RC690 Microsoft Ergonomic Wireless 60000 
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Originally Posted by chris_robb View Post
Hi 555thz, I was just looking at changing to 4gb of 800mhz, I haven't heard anything of this "AMD + 4Gb = fail", what is meant by this?
Also would there be any benefit of buying 2*2Gb as opposed to 4*1gb apart from the obvious option of ading more later if required, and running them in dual-channel mode?

Also If I were to change to 800MHz, It might be worthwhile going for an Asus M2N-SLI nForce 570 motherboard (Which is a slightly cheaper dual PCI-E mobo), or even the Asus M2R32-MVP, and accepting that if I wanted to upgrade, then changing it then.

Thanks,
Chris
Chris_robb, it's been said that having 4 dimms populated can put a substantial amount of stress on the IMC (integrated memory controller). By doing this it is sometimes difficult to overclock. All though there are individuals that have done it. I for one have OC'ed with 4 dimms and didn't see a problem but others have
What are you running on your machine that requires 4GB of memory? Vista and XP 32-bit won't see anything past 3.25-3.50 so it's kind of pointless.

Good luck
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