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So that means that my idle temp is around 45-50C. Isn't that way to high for being at stock speeds?
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At idle, with a good heatsink, and good contact, the chip should only be a few C or so warmer than the air passing through the heatsink.

Anyway, load temps are what matter.

Also, there is quite a large difference in load from sitting at a BIOS screen to sitting at windows desktop. The system idle process lowers temps quite a bit (by specifically doing nothing with the CPU) as opposed to sitting in the BIOS (which is rendered as fast as possible).
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wow... its idle.. not American Idol......
You forgot to capitalize "wow". "Its" has an apostrophe. You only used two dots the second time, and you used six the third time.

Tell me how that feels, and maybe next time you won't make such a useless post.


To the original poster: 33c is fine for the stock cooler. Load temps are what matters. Download Orthos and give it a go.
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At idle, with a good heatsink, and good contact, the chip should only be a few C or so warmer than the air passing through the heatsink.

Anyway, load temps are what matter.

Also, there is quite a large difference in load from sitting at a BIOS screen to sitting at windows desktop. The system idle process lowers temps quite a bit (by specifically doing nothing with the CPU) as opposed to sitting in the BIOS (which is rendered as fast as possible).
But as I said, Hardware Monitor matches the temps that the BIOS shows. For example, I just used Hibernation while I'm typing this reply so I could do the POST to check what the BIOS says the core temp is. It's 34°C, whereas Hardware Monitor says 38°C. That makes perfect sense to me.

But for Core Temp to say 20 or 22, which is almost the same exact air temp in this room (give or take .5 degrees), I really don't think it's accurate with this system. I mean, CoreTemp may be accurate for some systems, but not mine.

Besides, I'd rather err on the high side just to be safe.
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But as I said, Hardware Monitor matches the temps that the BIOS shows. For example, I just used Hibernation while I'm typing this reply so I could do the POST to check what the BIOS says the core temp is. It's 34°C, whereas Hardware Monitor says 38°C. That makes perfect sense to me.

But for Core Temp to say 20 or 22, which is almost the same exact air temp in this room (give or take .5 degrees), I really don't think it's accurate with this system. I mean, CoreTemp may be accurate for some systems, but not mine.

Besides, I'd rather err on the high side just to be safe.
Idle temps are known to be innacurate. Download RealTemp and and try it.

All processors have a different Tjmax, which is used to calculate temperature. Unfortunately, Intel did not release tjmax readings for desktop c2d processors. Intel did, however, release all the tjmax readings for mobile core 2 duo's. (Why? No one knows. Idiots at Intel I guess.) Those readings are used to make assumptions on the TjMax of desktop c2d processors.

For example:

M0 processors have a tjmax of either 95 or 100c. I have an L2 e4300. At load with a Tuniq Tower with stock speeds I was getting almost 50c with CoreTemp, and it reported my TjMax at 100c.

I tried RealTemp and it reported TjMax at 85c, so I loaded at 35c. This seemed a lot more reasonable considering my ambients are 22c. The reason there is a difference between the two programs is because the creator of RealTemp actually used IR thermometers and other hardware to test the TjMax on processors, unlike Coretemp, SpeedFan, Everest, and the rest which just assume the TjMax and everyone else just rolls with it.

Hope that clears a little bit up. There is a lot more to it. If you want to read more check my thread "CoreTemp vs. RealTemp".

Check the stepping on your e2180. I am not sure, but I think they have L2 revisions also. In that case, CoreTemp and everything else might be giving you ludicrous readings because it is assuming incorrect TjMax.
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But for Core Temp to say 20 or 22, which is almost the same exact air temp in this room (give or take .5 degrees), I really don't think it's accurate with this system. I mean, CoreTemp may be accurate for some systems, but not mine.

Besides, I'd rather err on the high side just to be safe.
The BIOS is just as likely to be innacurate as anything else, but yeah .5C above ambient has to be too low.
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Ok I overclocked my CPU to 2.025GHz and I ran Orthos Small FTTs test for around 10 minutes and my load temp was 56C on CoreTemp. About how much more can I overclock before the chip is at its limit?

Thanks for the help everyone and sorry for asking all of these questions.
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Ok I overclocked my CPU to 2.025GHz and I ran Orthos Small FTTs test for around 10 minutes and my load temp was 56C on CoreTemp. About how much more can I overclock before the chip is at its limit?

Thanks for the help everyone and sorry for asking all of these questions.
Look here.

60c is your max. Invest in a better cooler and you should be able to get MUCH higher. Those chips are known to go past 3.0ghz, and I've seen them at 3.5.
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I have M0 Stepping if that makes a difference.
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I have M0 Stepping if that makes a difference.
M0 steppings are usually more accurate when it comes to temperature readings than other steppings.

60c is still your max temperature.
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