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The stupidity in this situation is that Creative got all hot and bothered over something that was actually improving the performance of their product(s). In my opinion, the company's decision to try to intimidate a 3rd party modifier of their drivers package was terribly short-sighted and poorly-calculated.

I still don't understand what they stood to gain other than the speculation that they (Creative) were sitting on a yet-unannounced product that would have included all the disabled features in the current X-Fi driver package. While this is, of course, a business decision, it is also extremely cynical and clearly shows just what Creative thinks of its customer base.
But he was accepting money for the drivers. If he had not accepted any money for the drivers, then there'd be no problem whatsoever. This whole thing would never have happened. But Daniel wasn't wise enough to think ahead. But he didn't, and look at the trouble it got him in.

I don't care if he said he was going to use the money for new sound cards and new drivers. He was still accepting money for his work, and that's wrong. Besides, I have personally never heard of any programmer accepting money, or "donations" for being a third party programmer without the express written consent of the company for whom they are programming.
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creative was way more "in the wrong" than Daniel, "no matter how you slice it". I don't get mad when I'm wrong, I get mad when people **** on the little guy for doing a good thing for others while the big corporation is busy trying to scam us.
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Whoa. If anyone needs to "chill out", it's you!

1. I'm defending the truth, nothing more.

2. If Daniel_K were in the right, then I'd be defending him.

3. I'm not simply "for Creative". I'm for the truth. I'm for "what's right".

4. I do not dislike Daniel. I simply do not approve of how he did what he did. And I absolutely DO NOT think he should go die in a ditch or something. That really irritates me that you'd even say such a thing. Not only that, but it indicates that there's something seriously wrong with you. I mean, why would you think of something like that?

But thanks for being so nice to me. I really appreciate that. Like I said, maybe you're the one who needs to "chill out".

All I'm doing is defending what's right. I'm defending the truth. It pisses me off when somebody does something wrong and people back them up. So, no, I'm not going to "get off it".

Jeez.
i sense a future member of the RIAA lol

He made 150 bucks, thats it. If you think of how much money he could have made, then youd see why its not that big of a deal. And come on, how many times have you read somewhere asking for donations to improve some product, but yet its free. im surprised he made any money at all. And if he was morally repugnant he would have gone and bought something useless or squandered the money on himself. He said he bought a new sound card to help him make better drivers, which shows he had integrity and if anything he was guilty of having pride because he probably liked having people tell him how good he was for his work. while there are laws to prevent these things, they arent designed for such small scale fiddling with products. they are designed for mass producing a product that has been patented, not changing a few drivers. Lastly you are assuming you know his intent on making money on this situation. theres no way to really know if he was being "sneaky" or just simply put that up because some said hey this is great, do you want anything for it. to me his intent was show more buy not directly asking for money, because you know he could have made ALOT more money if he really wanted it. I dont think creative should have acted the way they did. if he helped their company out more then any of their people could do, he should be offered a job, period. Its funny creative didnt do that in the first place, because after this publicity, hell probably get picked up by another company, because clearly hes competent in the field.
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That doesn't make it RIGHT. It's just a sneaky way of remaining undetected for a longer period of time as compared to how long he'd last if he had said "no money, no drivers." Again, I could commend him had he done this and refused any kind of donation.
Do you want to know what sneaky is Cheese?
(no need to flame or anything, I understand your position and respect that)
How will you feel if you ever upgrade to Vista (from XP Pro SP2) and you will have to buy a new soundcard (X-Fi 2) to replace your X-Fi Xtreme Gamer to be able to have full Vista capability?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multime...a_Drivers.html

And what's even more sneaky is if you go to click on this link:
Windows Vista Hardware Compatibility List

http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/Pro...-Fi%202&oid=24
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But he was accepting money for the drivers. If he had not accepted any money for the drivers, then there'd be no problem whatsoever. This whole thing would never have happened. But Daniel wasn't wise enough to think ahead. But he didn't, and look at the trouble it got him in.

I don't care if he said he was going to use the money for new sound cards and new drivers. He was still accepting money for his work, and that's wrong. Besides, I have personally never heard of any programmer accepting money, or "donations" for being a third party programmer without the express written consent of the company for whom they are programming.
His request for donations, in my opinion, is not entirely relevant to the point I made. If Creative was threatened by a 3rd party modifier making (gasp) $150.00, then that shows me that they've got really serious fiscal problems.

Give me a break. $150.00 is nothing to a multi-million dollar operation like Creative Labs. Why they'd want to shake anybody down for the cost of one of their (in my opinion only) over-rated products is really short-sighted.

Besides, the point that donations are entirely VOLUNTARY on the part of the people using Daniel K's drivers has never been stated; he didn't DEMAND money to use the modified software. Creative would have a much stronger legal leg to stand on, in my opinion, if Daniel required compensation for his work modifying Creative's IP. If users didn't want to donate, they simply wouldn't, and Daniel K wouldn't have been compensated at all.

And all for what? Improving Creative's product's performance.
    
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i sense a future member of the RIAA lol

He made 150 bucks, thats it. If you think of how much money he could have made, then youd see why its not that big of a deal. And come on, how many times have you read somewhere asking for donations to improve some product, but yet its free. im surprised he made any money at all. And if he was morally repugnant he would have gone and bought something useless or squandered the money on himself. He said he bought a new sound card to help him make better drivers, which shows he had integrity and if anything he was guilty of having pride because he probably liked having people tell him how good he was for his work. while there are laws to prevent these things, they arent designed for such small scale fiddling with products. they are designed for mass producing a product that has been patented, not changing a few drivers. Lastly you are assuming you know his intent on making money on this situation. theres no way to really know if he was being "sneaky" or just simply put that up because some said hey this is great, do you want anything for it. to me his intent was show more buy not directly asking for money, because you know he could have made ALOT more money if he really wanted it. I dont think creative should have acted the way they did. if he helped their company out more then any of their people could do, he should be offered a job, period. Its funny creative didnt do that in the first place, because after this publicity, hell probably get picked up by another company, because clearly hes competent in the field.
Hmm, maybe he will get a good job out of this. And who knows, since everything happens for a reason, this could be that reason. I half wonder if he's really poor and could use a good job doing something he loves.

Good call on me making an assumption. You're right. I blindly assumed I knew his intentions. Oddly, I felt funny about that, but I wasn't sure what it was (but now I know thanks to you being nice enough to show me. Thank you. There aren't enough people who'd be as kind about it as you were).

But I still say that if Daniel hadn't accepted any money regardless of his reasons for accepting it, he would never have gotten in any trouble, and this whole mess never would have happened. But it did, and what's done is done. I still don't approve of his actions. He should have made the drivers, and said "Do not send me any money, because Creative might not like it."

That would've been highly commendable, and very wise.
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But he was accepting money for the drivers. If he had not accepted any money for the drivers, then there'd be no problem whatsoever. This whole thing would never have happened. But Daniel wasn't wise enough to think ahead. But he didn't, and look at the trouble it got him in.

I don't care if he said he was going to use the money for new sound cards and new drivers. He was still accepting money for his work, and that's wrong. Besides, I have personally never heard of any programmer accepting money, or "donations" for being a third party programmer without the express written consent of the company for whom they are programming.
dude......its ok. calm down. its just 150 bucks. are you that bothered that people thought he was an awsome guy and decided to give him donation out of there own free will? did you want the money or somthing? so just chill and stop "attacking" the guy like he's a terrorist.....
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dude......its ok. calm down. its just 150 bucks. are you that bothered that people thought he was an awsome guy and decided to give him donation out of there own free will? did you want the money or somthing? so just chill and stop "attacking" the guy like he's a terrorist.....
Oh, so you want to exaggerate what I'm saying too (just like Steriods did)?

I'm calm. If I were any more calm, I'd probably be asleep. I know it's just $150.

I'm only bothered that he's being defended when he made the unwise decision to accept donations when he should have said "no donations, as I do not want to get in trouble with Creative. I do not have their express written consent to ask for donations."

I'm not attacking him like he's a terrorist. You're just exaggerating what I'm saying.

Again, he didn't have Creative's express written consent to accept donations for his work. By accepting donations without their permission, he disrespected them. It's the principle of the matter. I don't care if he made 1¢! He still made money off the drivers without Creative's permission.

I think Creative reacted the way any company would react. They had to protect theirselves. There was no way to know Daniel's true intentions at that time. How did they know he wasn't planning on making a boat load of money off those drivers? I mean, you gotta look at it from Creative's side too!

Again, I'm not "for Creative". I'm just defending the truth. If something this innocent is going to get me into trouble with other members, then maybe I'll unsubscribe from this thread. I do not want enemies over something so trivial.
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What? How can you not see what's wrong with that? He made money off of Creative's product!! I don't care if he called it "accepting donations". That doesn't make it okay!

Furthermore, I think this decision of Creative makes them a bunch of wimps. Yeah, a lot of people are going to be happy, but it's only going to teach other programmers that they might be able to get away with stuff they were previously afraid to try.

Sigh. Creative has no real men working for them.
OK so its okay for them to intentionally take away parts of the operational ability of a product on purpose among other things that they admitted to. Thats not being a man thats being a backstabbing weasel. What is that going to teach programmers if people didnt stand up for themselves and oust creative. What that programmers can intentionally limit the ability of a product just to sell more of them or for whatever reason they see fit even though they advertise them as working correctly. THis doesnt have anything to do with allowing programmers to get away with anything. If the programmers at creative and creative itself had not tried to hose the community then we wouldnt be in this situation now would we.

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Deserved it? What? He was in the wrong. There are no two ways about it. I'd think much higher of Daniel_K if he had said "Do not offer me money for these drivers."

But no. He had to be ignorant and accept donations.

All he deserves is the pleasure of helping other people. Money is worthless compared to that and you all know it.
What does being ignorent have to do with asking for donations. They allready said that he didnt make any money as in make a profit. Did you understand NO profit. Donations are voluntary and not required and I highly doubt most people did donate.

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Simple: he was accepting donations as a sneaky way to make a profit. Imagine what would have happened to him if he had said "If you want the driver, you have to give me money." So, he clearly decided that "accepting donations" was a great way to stay undetected.

Morally? This was wrong. He should have told everyone that he refuses to accept any money. That would have been highly commendable, and everyone knows it, but are too proud to admit it!
Morally doesnt have anything to do with it. Asking for donations to continue testing there is nothing wrong with that. Now if he charged for the drivers that would be immoral I guess.

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Whoa. If anyone needs to "chill out", it's you!

1. I'm defending the truth, nothing more.

2. If Daniel_K were in the right, then I'd be defending him.

3. I'm not simply "for Creative". I'm for the truth. I'm for "what's right".

4. I do not dislike Daniel. I simply do not approve of how he did what he did. And I absolutely DO NOT think he should go die in a ditch or something. That really irritates me that you'd even say such a thing. Not only that, but it indicates that there's something seriously wrong with you. I mean, why would you think of something like that?

But thanks for being so nice to me. I really appreciate that. Like I said, maybe you're the one who needs to "chill out".

All I'm doing is defending what's right. I'm defending the truth. It pisses me off when somebody does something wrong and people back them up. So, no, I'm not going to "get off it".

Jeez.

So if creative was telling the truth that you so adimatly defend then why are they apologizing all over the place and talking about fixing there drivers which they intentionally gimped. THat doesnt sound like defending the truth to me, sounds more like defending a lie.
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Well, based on how things are going, I clearly don't know enough about this to discuss it, so I'm going to unsubscribe before I end up with enemies over something this silly.

So, this means that I will not see any further replies. I'm sorry. If you want to say something further to me, I always welcome private messages.
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